Inquitus wrote: » You can't really blame Nate as an aggregator of polls, if the underlying poll data is crap, as it was this year, then he has no chance of making sense of them. Whatever the reason for the massive polling miss, shy trumpers etc. etc. It was real and meant they were all off large amounts in some states, way outside the supposed margin of error.
L1011 wrote: » Trump effectively ordered his base not to postal vote, so yes.
Windmill100000 wrote: » Did he give a reason? Looks like it was a great plan as the moment he stopped getting votes he could cry fraud. Let them count again. I'm happy to see him lose twice.
Inquitus wrote: » Georgia is split into 2 Senate "Districts" with a line going down from the N.E. to the S.W. .
Paleface wrote: » There are a couple of motives at play here why the GOP are still backing Trump in my view. 1. Trump's popularity is clearly huge amongst the electorate and they have not yet figured out how to transfer the majority of this support to the party itself. They must continue to back him until he concedes 2. They want to stoke up as much angst as possible amongst their supporters to ensure a high turnout for any Senate runoffs 3. Mail in voting is going to kill them in the long run. They knew this all along but because of the pandemic could not stop it. All they can do now is discredit its usage enough to ensure that once the pandemic is over states go back to a policy of the majority of votes being cast in person on the day
harr wrote: » A week later and no definite results.. I know the outcome is known, but is it showing up that the American voting process needs to be updated , I know the postal votes are / were holding things up. Every election seems to be throwing up issues.
L1011 wrote: » No it isn't. That's just a line they drew on the map to indicate there's two seats All senate seats are state-wide, each states two elections are offset on a 2-4-2-4 year gap. The reason there's two here is that one is a special election for the remaining 2 years of Isaksons term (he resigned) and the other is for a full six year term.
Inquitus wrote: » Do you get 2 votes i.e. you can vote for both Dem's? or is there a need to manage the vote a bit like we do in Ireland? if you want to get 2 elected?
L1011 wrote: » You get two votes. Its two completely separate races.
Foxtrol wrote: » This timing is perfectly normal for US elections to not have 'definite results' until way later than the race is 'called'. There are plenty of reasons for that and are very difficult to change (e.g., allowing time for military ballots to arrive or allowing for recounts). It isn't ideal but there are far greater problems with the US electoral system than the time for the official results. Here are when votes were certified in 2016, most the end of November or early December.https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results_certification_dates,_2016
Robert2014 wrote: » I'm struggling to understand this plan to undermine the election result and the suggestions of fraud. In every election from now on, Republicans will be asked again and again in advance, will you accept the election result. So every time before an election, voters will be reminded of this fiasco and the Republicans coming across as sore losers, delusional and cowards in telling Trump to face facts. Will this impact potential voters, who knows? But not all the 70 million people that voted Trump are deluded and this will be brought up again and again. In terms of elections, Republicans have been the ones to benefit from any "rigging", you would think they would want to be quiet on this topic. Any large investigating into the election process cannot help them imo
Inquitus wrote: » So in that case it seems likely we will end up with either 2 Dems or 2 Republicans, as you'd expect most people to vote a straight ticket?
L1011 wrote: » That is most likely, but there will be Republicans perfectly happy with Perdue and horrified by Loeffler
Quin_Dub wrote: » ... It is not a coincidence that Trump just fired Esper as Sec. Of Defence either. Esper refused to allow Trump to use the Military on the streets during the BLM protests etc. He has now been replaced by a door-mat who will do whatever he's told including sending the Military out to suppress protests if they actually try to do this. The potential for truly terrifying times in the US is very real right now.
Quin_Dub wrote: » It is not a coincidence that Trump just fired Esper as Sec. Of Defence either. Esper refused to allow Trump to use the Military on the streets during the BLM protests etc. He has now been replaced by a door-mat who will do whatever he's told including sending the Military out to suppress protests if they actually try to do this.
We have an update from Alaska, which now says there are 157,209 uncounted ballots — up from 134,664 yesterday (the difference is likely explained by the fact that absentee ballots are still trickling in). That makes Biden’s and Gross’s path to winning a little bit easier, though it would still require an impressive comeback. Biden needs to win more than 67 percent of the outstanding ballots, while Gross needs to win more than 68 percent.
robinph wrote: » You would hope that if it got to that point the actual military people in charge of giving the orders on the ground would refuse to do anything other than follow the constitution which requires that Trump stands down on 20th January and would do what they deem necessary to make sure that happens. If that means letting the people protest and show their disgust at what is then being down to their country then so be it, just don't let them break too many windows in the process.
serfboard wrote: » I was wondering what was behind Esper's firing. However, I cannot see the military getting involved in this. Their loyalty is to the "office" of the Commander-in-Chief - not to the Commander-in-Chief himself, whatever Trump may think. Trying to get them involved in this is, IMO, tantamount to asking them to partake in a coup, and I cannot see that happening.
Quin_Dub wrote: » The problem is, the longer this goes on it increases the chances of Trump and his allies pulling effectively a coup. Here's what needs to happen for Biden to be confirmed President.Counts need to finish State level results get certified by the respective Governors/Secretaries of State State send forward Electors Electoral College Votes Biden gets 270+ votes He's President There are 2 key dates. States need to certify their results before December 8th (Safe Harbour) Electors meet on December 14th to actually cast their votes It is becoming increasingly clear that the Trump plan here is to flood key States with a torrent of spurious court cases to delay/prevent the results being certified by the required date. He then hopes to get the various States to do one of the following Do not send any Electors forward as they cannot certify the results - He'd be looking at places like Arizona and Georgia for that , with GOP Governors and SoS Send forward competing Slates of Electors - He'd be looking at Pennsylvania for that - Dem Governor , but GOP State Legislature. The likelihood is that with two sets of electors competing , both would excluded. The End game is that no ones gets to 270 thereby forcing a "Contingent Election" In the event of a Contingent Election , the Senate elects the VP and the House Elects the President , but in the House it's a State by State vote not a simply majority. As it stands right now , the GOP lead the State by State count in the house 26-24 , so they'd elect Trump and the Senate would elect Pence. This is their plan. Now - The Sh!t-storm this would kick off would be of catastrophic proportions and they might not get away with it. The GOP leader of the PA House has already come out and said that they would not get involved in the Electoral College process , but let's see if they withstand the pressure they are going to come under. It is not a coincidence that Trump just fired Esper as Sec. Of Defence either. Esper refused to allow Trump to use the Military on the streets during the BLM protests etc. He has now been replaced by a door-mat who will do whatever he's told including sending the Military out to suppress protests if they actually try to do this. The potential for truly terrifying times in the US is very real right now.
demfad wrote: » If Trump succeeds in making the validity of the election a partisan issue, with support from the Senate and Attorney General and claims the election as illegitimate then it will be for the military to intervene or ask the opinion of the US Supreme Court...Doing nothing will see Trump remaining in power.
Quin_Dub wrote: » But - If they force the Contingent Election , he will be their Commander in Chief and they will have "followed the constitution" etc. The Contingent Election route is clearly the Trump plan , they really don't have another pathway. The courts , even the SCOTUS will knock them back , but if they can engineer it such that the Electoral college vote cannot give a candidate 270 they win and they know it. The only hope in that scenario would be that a small few GOP office holders value the country over power - Romney and Murkowski in the Senate perhaps . Liz Chaney would be key in the house as she is effectively the casting vote as she is the sole representative from Montana.
