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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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marno21

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Along with the pandemic, I wonder were Tower Holdings also holding off on moving on with the Prism to wait for the outcome of the election, given that all their business and financial backing is in the States. You would hope with Biden in charge from January and now with a possible vaccine the markets and everything else will be on the up with a bit of stability around. I imagine things will also bode better for them getting a tenant.

Indeed. Newly competent global leadership, evidence that there is an exit from the coronavirus pandemic and a co-ordinated strategic approach to renewing the Cork docklands are three massive news stories from the last week.

I posted the link above from my phone earlier and now have a chance to type properly. The above news story is the definition of a game changer. I have frequently posted here about the disjointed, ad hoc development that has happened to date in the Docklands. We've seen the OCP purchase of the Origin lands, the renders of the Tedcastles and Ford sites but no centralised plan as to how this is all going to link together. There is no point in building 3,000 apartments near the Pairc with the current **** heaps of roads linking them sites to the city, along with the fact that those sites are located at the end of a cul de sac with no supporting infrastructure at the end of a derelict industrial wasteland.

A proper, inter agency, co-ordinated approach to redeveloping the South Docks along with the area around Kent Station is the best thing that could happen to this city. Along with the Port of Cork development in Tivoli, the other 2 areas being redeveloped will strengthen the case for the proposed public transport projects and with the inter agency approach we could see a proper, co-ordinated attempt to finally get some of the long stalled projects (both public and private) off the ground.

There is so much case for optimism if this goes ahead. The disjoined approach of yesterday gives way to a newly co-ordinated attempt at proper progress

D'Agger

marno21 wrote: »

Indeed. Newly competent global leadership, evidence that there is an exit from the coronavirus pandemic and a co-ordinated strategic approach to renewing the Cork docklands are three massive news stories from the last week.

I posted the link above from my phone earlier and now have a chance to type properly. The above news story is the definition of a game changer. I have frequently posted here about the disjointed, ad hoc development that has happened to date in the Docklands. We've seen the OCP purchase of the Origin lands, the renders of the Tedcastles and Ford sites but no centralised plan as to how this is all going to link together. There is no point in building 3,000 apartments near the Pairc with the current **** heaps of roads linking them sites to the city, along with the fact that those sites are located at the end of a cul de sac with no supporting infrastructure at the end of a derelict industrial wasteland.

A proper, inter agency, co-ordinated approach to redeveloping the South Docks along with the area around Kent Station is the best thing that could happen to this city. Along with the Port of Cork development in Tivoli, the other 2 areas being redeveloped will strengthen the case for the proposed public transport projects and with the inter agency approach we could see a proper, co-ordinated attempt to finally get some of the long stalled projects (both public and private) off the ground.

There is so much case for optimism if this goes ahead. The disjoined approach of yesterday gives way to a newly co-ordinated attempt at proper progress

Well said re: co-ordinated approach

A minor point on the bit in bold but I noticed at the weekend the new cycle lanes in the marina have been setup since I was last there - with kerbs put up to prevent them being parked on i.e. around match days which is a huge plus....this should be standard procedure but for many years in Cork, simply hasn't been the case. It does seem as though more thought and planning & learning from previous mistakes is being taken into account going forward which is good to see.

bingo9999

marno21 wrote: »

Indeed. Newly competent global leadership, evidence that there is an exit from the coronavirus pandemic and a co-ordinated strategic approach to renewing the Cork docklands are three massive news stories from the last week.

I posted the link above from my phone earlier and now have a chance to type properly. The above news story is the definition of a game changer. I have frequently posted here about the disjointed, ad hoc development that has happened to date in the Docklands. We've seen the OCP purchase of the Origin lands, the renders of the Tedcastles and Ford sites but no centralised plan as to how this is all going to link together. There is no point in building 3,000 apartments near the Pairc with the current **** heaps of roads linking them sites to the city, along with the fact that those sites are located at the end of a cul de sac with no supporting infrastructure at the end of a derelict industrial wasteland.

A proper, inter agency, co-ordinated approach to redeveloping the South Docks along with the area around Kent Station is the best thing that could happen to this city. Along with the Port of Cork development in Tivoli, the other 2 areas being redeveloped will strengthen the case for the proposed public transport projects and with the inter agency approach we could see a proper, co-ordinated attempt to finally get some of the long stalled projects (both public and private) off the ground.

There is so much case for optimism if this goes ahead. The disjoined approach of yesterday gives way to a newly co-ordinated attempt at proper progress

Four more years! Great to think all of that could lead to serious advancement in Cork city. I would hope that a real ambitious plan to build dense modern building in this brownfield area also reduces the pressure in the historic core to gut buildings and try to slam modern bones into them, would love to see better use and sensitive upkeep of georgian rows in the current city centre with the shlick boys shifting out this way.

Also some new touting of Customs House Tower on HJL site
https://henryjlyons.com/news/2020/10/16/set-to-be-the-tallest-building-in-ireland-permission-granted-for-iconic-landmark-in-heart-of-cork-city

cantalach

D'Agger wrote: »

Well said re: co-ordinated approach

A minor point on the bit in bold but I noticed at the weekend the new cycle lanes in the marina have been setup since I was last there - with kerbs put up to prevent them being parked on i.e. around match days which is a huge plus....this should be standard procedure but for many years in Cork, simply hasn't been the case. It does seem as though more thought and planning & learning from previous mistakes is being taken into account going forward which is good to see.

Those new semi-segregated cycle tracks are a very welcome development for sure. I’m a little concerned at the way in which the tracks cross entrances to businesses. The posts pause too soon before the entrances and resume too late. I’ve already seen cars parked on the cycle track in this convenient little “parking space”. Hopefully they will revisit that. And if I was to be really picky - and I am - it is a pity that they have made Centrepark Road the outbound route and Monaghan Road the inbound route. If you visualise it as a circle, this is clockwise and that means a lot more right turns which is higher risk. The old Monaghan Road league race used to go anti-clockwise for good reason.

whisky_galore

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

What's wrong with normal matching-up windows like the buildings in between them?

Needs to be all "modhern" and edgy like. It annoys people with OCD.

Ugly, but not as ugly as the crashed alien spaceship outside Kent.

hans aus dtschl

cantalach wrote: »

Those new semi-segregated cycle tracks are a very welcome development for sure. I’m a little concerned at the way in which the tracks cross entrances to businesses. The posts pause too soon before the entrances and resume too late. I’ve already seen cars parked on the cycle track in this convenient little “parking space”. Hopefully they will revisit that. And if I was to be really picky - and I am - it is a pity that they have made Centrepark Road the outbound route and Monaghan Road the inbound route. If you visualise it as a circle, this is clockwise and that means a lot more right turns which is higher risk. The old Monaghan Road league race used to go anti-clockwise for good reason.

But at least they didn't put the bollards IN the cycle lane, like they're doing elsewhere in the city.

Let's not be overly negative: it's a good effort and it's appreciated. We can fight for improvements and perfection, but this is some of the first usable cycle infrastructure in the city in a long time.

bingo9999

Its true - always easy to point out the own goals from CCC (and they are regular and cheap), but to me there does feel like there is a big concerted effort going on in there lately to do a lot of good things that people have been asking for for a long time. In circumstances of much reduced income we shouldnt forget to be thankful for the positive changes and encourage (rather than naysay) for more.

cantalach

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Let's not be overly negative: it's a good effort and it's appreciated. We can fight for improvements and perfection, but this is some of the first usable cycle infrastructure in the city in a long time.

Yes, fully agree with that. I was just nitpicking. Tús maith leath na hoibre, etc.

[Deleted User]

whisky_galore wrote: »

Needs to be all "modhern" and edgy like. It annoys people with OCD.

Ugly, but not as ugly as the crashed alien spaceship outside Kent.

At least the spaceship has a fighter hanger bay

the beer revolu

I'm going to go out on my own and say that I like the Hoor's Motel replacement.
I'm not in love with it but I kinda like it. It's a little bit unusual, the size is right for the location and I think it fits in nicely.

Please try to be polite in your disagreement.
I haven't questioned the sanity or insulted people who profess to hating this building, please afford me the same courtesy.

fonecrusher1

Deleted User wrote: »

At least the spaceship has a fighter hanger bay

Handy if you get onions in your burger you can fling them out the balcony. Job done.

:pac:

Treehelpplease

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm going to go out on my own and say that I like the Hoor's Motel replacement.
I'm not in love with it but I kinda like it. It's a little bit unusual, the size is right for the location and I think it fits in nicely.

Please try to be polite in your disagreement.
I haven't questioned the sanity or insulted people who profess to hating this building, please afford me the same courtesy.

I like it too. Other than the windows, I think it fits in perfect. Right height, right proportions on the end buildings and I like how the protected buildings really stand out and take centre stage. If anything, my only issue is the half extended roof on the protected buildings

rebs23

bingo9999 wrote: »

Its true - always easy to point out the own goals from CCC (and they are regular and cheap), but to me there does feel like there is a big concerted effort going on in there lately to do a lot of good things that people have been asking for for a long time. In circumstances of much reduced income we shouldnt forget to be thankful for the positive changes and encourage (rather than naysay) for more.

Sometimes we're all too critical of a City Council that as to go with a begging bowl to the "big boys" in the Dept in Dublin with little local taxation in Ireland to fund their activities. The cities we constantly reference in the continent and the UK have their own sources of taxation and income.
A big well done to them on the pedestrianisation of streets for outdoor eating, the cycle lanes down the Marina, the new Park being developed by the Marina, the new lighting on a section of the river walk, the new Bridges in the City Centre, facilitating the new PUC, the makeover of the Blackrock Marina, the Harbour Greenway, etc. Some great work done, not perfect but good changes that have made a significant difference to the city, opened up the Marina to a lot more users, etc. Couldn't believe the crowds down the Marina last Sunday morning.
The area around the Marina, PUC, Atlantic Pond is a whole new City Park.

Flesh Gorden

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Bishopstown-housing-development-given-the-go-ahead-by-Cork-city-councillors-d46b92df-c8d5-4dbb-9774-96f424cf334e-ds

Bishopstown housing development given the go-ahead by Cork city councillors

A CONTENTIOUS housing development at the junction of Hawkes Road and Bishopstown Road has been given the green light by Cork city councillors.

Is that the site that used to have a single bungalow on it that was tore down in the early 90s and has remained an abandoned site since the mid 90s?

marno21

Government looking for a clause to stop land with approved planning hoarding

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/use-it-or-lose-it-law-being-drafted-for-planning-permissions-1.4405671?mode=amp

HQ, Albert Quay, Railway Gardens in the spotlight here

TheChizler

marno21 wrote: »

Government looking for a clause to stop land with approved planning hoarding

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/use-it-or-lose-it-law-being-drafted-for-planning-permissions-1.4405671?mode=amp

HQ, Albert Quay, Railway Gardens in the spotlight here

This would be a great development, there are too many abusing the SHD to flip sites.

blindsider

...add Wilton Shopping Centre and Sullivan's Quay to that too...

snotboogie

blindsider wrote: »

...add Wilton Shopping Centre and Sullivan's Quay to that too...

Were they under SHD? If you extended this to non SHD planning you could probably get upwards of 100 in the city. The amount of proposed but never built is unreal.

Railway Gardens was so comically obvious land flipping you couldn't be disappointed by it. The Mahon Tower was the one thaf annoyed me the most, I had hope for that one.

fonecrusher1

blindsider wrote: »

...add Wilton Shopping Centre and Sullivan's Quay to that too...

There's been talk of leveling that place and a new entire shopping complex built for 15 years at least. I remember seeing an article in the Echo around 2010ish.

Its well past its life span, it should have been knocked and replaced years ago.

hans aus dtschl

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

There's been talk of leveling that place and a new entire shopping complex built for 15 years at least. I remember seeing an article in the Echo around 2010ish.

Its well past its life span, it should have been knocked and replaced years ago.

And yet not a bad customer experience IMO.
I much prefer Wilton to Mahon Point.
Douglas also. They have a "little town centre" feel.

fonecrusher1

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

And yet not a bad customer experience IMO.
I much prefer Wilton to Mahon Point.
Douglas also. They have a "little town centre" feel.

Its fine but its time for it to become something much bigger and better and no amount of updating to the existing building will achieve that imo. Mahon point has chronic access / parking issues during busy hours, I rarely go there.

blindsider

Without going too far off-topic....IMO wilton has a 'shopping centre' feel to it and that's what they should re-develop. MP is a 'mall' with all the misery* that goes with it.....

*Again, IMO.

marno21

Latest on the Events Centre

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Parties-involved-in-Cork-Events-Centre-intent-on-progressing-project-9fb820c8-2b26-4483-9be2-9323a04f266c-ds

Yawn inducing.

questionmark?

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm going to go out on my own and say that I like the Hoor's Motel replacement.
I'm not in love with it but I kinda like it. It's a little bit unusual, the size is right for the location and I think it fits in nicely.

Please try to be polite in your disagreement.
I haven't questioned the sanity or insulted people who profess to hating this building, please afford me the same courtesy.

Well said. We should all be allowed to agree/disagree with people in a constructive manner in this thread.

Personally for me it's one of the only recent proposed developments that I'm not a fan of. However, I do welcome that it is getting developed and it's a lot better than the derelict site that's there at the moment. Lets hope we see progress and it's not yet another site with planning without progression.

cantalach

the beer revolu wrote: »

I'm going to go out on my own and say that I like the Hoor's Motel replacement.
I'm not in love with it but I kinda like it. It's a little bit unusual, the size is right for the location and I think it fits in nicely.

Please try to be polite in your disagreement.
I haven't questioned the sanity or insulted people who profess to hating this building, please afford me the same courtesy.

I like it too. It’s a bold statement. I think it will look a bit less “out there” when the whole redevelopment of the area is finished.

cantalach

blindsider wrote: »

Without going too far off-topic....IMO wilton has a 'shopping centre' feel to it and that's what they should re-develop. MP is a 'mall' with all the misery* that goes with it.....

Myself and herself were talking about MP vs Douglas SC the other day. I think the difference is that because of the cinema, restaurants, fast food, etc, MP is more of a “destination” than Douglas. On a wet weekend, or even on a sunny weekend, parents being kids there for a few hours peace. As you say, it’s like a small American mall (and a bit depressing for it). But you don’t tend to have families passing the time by strolling aimlessly around Douglas SC. Gives it a different feel. My only gripe with Douglas SC is that I hate the Tesco in there. Why on Earth can’t it have some windows to the outside World?

marno21

Custom House Tower appealed....

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/308596.htm

Tomtom364

marno21 wrote: »

Custom House Tower appealed....

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/308596.htm

:eek::eek::eek:

Never saw that coming

[Deleted User]

Status: Case is due to be decided by 22/03/2021

Why does it always take so long, in this country??
The serial objectors use this delay as a weapon.

leahyl

marno21 wrote: »

Custom House Tower appealed....

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/308596.htm

Fgs

decision now won't be until 22nd March.