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Discovery 3x04 - 'Forgot Me Not' Spoilers Within

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Star Trek Discovery Season 3 Episode 4 - 'Forgot Me Not'.

Sorry AMKC, just posting before duplicates start to appear.

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corkie

Rawr wrote: »

- The drawn out a boring back story of Adria, Grey and the Tal Symbiod. I had some hope that we were dealing with Dax, but even if it wasn't I was hoping with a least a link with the TNG world. Instead we get this story which I feel they are trying to present as an emotional and hard-hitting tragedy, but it just comes across as shallow. Throwing a chello in there will just give us some good music a for a few minutes folks...it does not make up for a lack of the feeling genuine loss between the characters. Alas...it was badly done.

There was very limited 'Trill' episodes in TNG, what we know most about them came from DS9.

corkie wrote: »

There was enough references to DS9 in this episode without a need to string a connection to 'Dax'. The only loose connection is that maybe Gray Tal or another trill host was a decedent of a 'Dax' host. <<<< @TheValeyard

CramCycle

Rawr wrote: »

I was going to wait a few weeks before delving back in, but I needed a distraction from the US election, and it fitted the bill.

The Good:

- Saru's a great captain, the whole attempt to encourage his senior staff to open up to each other felt like a real leadership move.

- Tilly is better this season. Also...kind of feels like a better First Officer for Saru in this episode.

- We actually started to get to know the crew.

- The A / B structure of the episode felt more like Trek this time.

- The inclusion of Trill made it feel a little more like Trek.

The not so good:

- Culber's 'Grey's Anatomy' style diary opening. I really wish TV writers would stop doing this. It was also misleading me into thinking he'd have a more leading roll in Adria's story. This leads me to the next issue:

- Michael (again): Culber should have been the one to go down to Trill, but you could almost see the contrivance of the plot at play to find any slither of an excuse for Michael to go instead. In any other Trek series, this would have been a Culber episode, where we would have an A-plot with him & Adria, while the rest of the crew were in the B-plot. Instead we get Michael, because *of course* we do.

- The drawn out a boring back story of Adria, Grey and the Tal Symbiod. I had some hope that we were dealing with Dax, but even if it wasn't I was hoping with a least a link with the TNG world. Instead we get this story which I feel they are trying to present as an emotional and hard-hitting tragedy, but it just comes across as shallow. Throwing a chello in there will just give us some good music a for a few minutes folks...it does not make up for a lack of the feeling genuine loss between the characters. Alas...it was badly done.

- The joining scenes also had this problem. They had a chance to make some very good scenes here, but instead you have Adria and Michael on a green-screen screaming the bloody obvious to each other. Also, for our trouble the best we get from the past is a Picard-era Starfleet uniform? Come on guys...you can do better than that!

100% and rarely, if Michael had been left on the ship, this would have been an episode where her presence would have made sense. All that tension bubbling over, lets not kid each other, they went there for her and she doesn't even seem that bothered by it. It would have been great to have the scene with Stamets blood replaced with her blaming Michael for their misery which she barely acknowledges. This could have been a Trek classic with ease and they yet again missed the mark.

breezy1985

I agree with all of that except Dax. I want no more connected characters.

Tilly in particular finally feels like a starfleet officer and not some giddy teen schoolgirl

Rawr

I was going to wait a few weeks before delving back in, but I needed a distraction from the US election, and it fitted the bill.

The Good:

- Saru's a great captain, the whole attempt to encourage his senior staff to open up to each other felt like a real leadership move.

- Tilly is better this season. Also...kind of feels like a better First Officer for Saru in this episode.

- We actually started to get to know the crew.

- The A / B structure of the episode felt more like Trek this time.

- The inclusion of Trill made it feel a little more like Trek.

The not so good:

- Culber's 'Grey's Anatomy' style diary opening. I really wish TV writers would stop doing this. It was also misleading me into thinking he'd have a more leading roll in Adria's story. This leads me to the next issue:

- Michael (again): Culber should have been the one to go down to Trill, but you could almost see the contrivance of the plot at play to find any slither of an excuse for Michael to go instead. In any other Trek series, this would have been a Culber episode, where we would have an A-plot with him & Adria, while the rest of the crew were in the B-plot. Instead we get Michael, because *of course* we do.

- The drawn out a boring back story of Adria, Grey and the Tal Symbiod. I had some hope that we were dealing with Dax, but even if it wasn't I was hoping with a least a link with the TNG world. Instead we get this story which I feel they are trying to present as an emotional and hard-hitting tragedy, but it just comes across as shallow. Throwing a chello in there will just give us some good music a for a few minutes folks...it does not make up for a lack of the feeling genuine loss between the characters. Alas...it was badly done.

- The joining scenes also had this problem. They had a chance to make some very good scenes here, but instead you have Adria and Michael on a green-screen screaming the bloody obvious to each other. Also, for our trouble the best we get from the past is a Picard-era Starfleet uniform? Come on guys...you can do better than that!

breezy1985

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Who would win in a fist fight Burnham or Adira. Stalemate,

Tilly :mad:

Banana Republic 1

breezy1985 wrote: »

If Adira was on that generation ship 2 years ago that makes her 14 at the time which is possible as it never definitely said she was living with Grey but the relationship seemed a bit mature for 14 year olds and to be on a security team at 16 is even crazy by Wesley Crusher standards

Who would win in a fist fight Burnham or Adira. Stalemate,

Banana Republic 1

SouthWesterly wrote: »

And there was me thinking the boyfriend was very effeminate.

No doubt they will ham up the script and in doing so will do no justice to the subject. Judging by what went down in this episode it will be forced down the audiences throats. The good parts about this episode won’t be carried through.

Mr E

Some very fussy people here. That was a great episode.

corkie

CastorTroy wrote: »

For the mysteriously attacked part, wasn't it an asteroid that hit them? At least it looked that way, because I was thinking it was surely something all ships take into account and likely have shields for.

For that I was quoting the linked website, so details maybe incorrect.

flazio wrote: »

Corkie, I don't think you got Adrias gender wrong. As far as I'm aware the actor is non binary but the character is female. The actor depicting Gray is a transgender male and Gray was definitely referred to as a "boyfriend".
LGBTQ+ communities seem to be very happy with how the characters are portrayed as far as I can see. Not the first time Star Trek has addressed non binary characters of course, I'd say an episode like The Outcast would have been received a lot differently today then it was in 1992.

CastorTroy wrote: »

I was going to say the same thing so just double checked online. Seems the character is non binary but isn't correcting people.

As discussed here, the actor(/ess) only came out to family during the time of filming. And character will be on the show. As human+'squid' then 'they' works.

CastorTroy

flazio wrote: »

Corkie, I don't think you got Adrias gender wrong. As far as I'm aware the actor is non binary but the character is female. The actor depicting Gray is a transgender male and Gray was definitely referred to as a "boyfriend".
LGBTQ+ communities seem to be very happy with how the characters are portrayed as far as I can see. Not the first time Star Trek has addressed non binary characters of course, I'd say an episode like The Outcast would have been received a lot differently today then it was in 1992.

I was going to say the same thing so just double checked online. Seems the character is non binary but isn't correcting people.

breezy1985

If Adira was on that generation ship 2 years ago that makes her 14 at the time which is possible as it never definitely said she was living with Grey but the relationship seemed a bit mature for 14 year olds and to be on a security team at 16 is even crazy by Wesley Crusher standards

[Deleted User]

flazio wrote: »

Corkie, I don't think you got Adrias gender wrong. As far as I'm aware the actor is non binary but the character is female. The actor depicting Gray is a transgender male and Gray was definitely referred to as a "boyfriend".
LGBTQ+ communities seem to be very happy with how the characters are portrayed as far as I can see. Not the first time Star Trek has addressed non binary characters of course, I'd say an episode like The Outcast would have been received a lot differently today then it was in 1992.

And there was me thinking the boyfriend was very effeminate.

flazio

Corkie, I don't think you got Adrias gender wrong. As far as I'm aware the actor is non binary but the character is female. The actor depicting Gray is a transgender male and Gray was definitely referred to as a "boyfriend".
LGBTQ+ communities seem to be very happy with how the characters are portrayed as far as I can see. Not the first time Star Trek has addressed non binary characters of course, I'd say an episode like The Outcast would have been received a lot differently today then it was in 1992.

CastorTroy

corkie wrote: »

"In Star Trek: Discovery season 3, episode 4, "Forget Me Not", it's revealed that Adira (Blu del Barrio) and Gray Tal (Ian Alexander) were aboard a Generation Ship traveling to the new location of Federation headquarters two years before the U.S.S. Discovery arrived in the future. However, the Generation Ship was mysteriously attacked, killing Gray and necessitating the Tal symbiont be placed in Adira as its host, even though she/they is human and not Trill."

^^^ Still leaves a lot unexplained, what happened to prior hosts that required them leaving Earth, assuming she/they where rescued by an earth ship.

For the mysteriously attacked part, wasn't it an asteroid that hit them? At least it looked that way, because I was thinking it was surely something all ships take into account and likely have shields for.

McGiver

Smacruairi wrote:

That being said, detmer and Saru were awesome. By far my fave characters I think. Tilly needs to go, she is the most annoying person I've ever seen on a show. I loathe her more than Mick.

Both Tilly and Georgiou are annoying.
And Burn-ham is borderline annoying.
Mr Chinese and Mr Black don't talk, just stupidly look confused in most episodes.
These are my issues with the crew

Else it's grand.

Sad Professor

Folks, in relation to spoilers, you don't have to use spoiler tags in the episode threads. If someone hasn't seen the episode yet then they shouldn't be reading the thread, period. When it airs on Netflix doesn't matter. I would suggest that whoever starts the thread put a spoiler warning in the title. I'll add one to this now.

Smacruairi

Better episode, but again not great. Will not be in any hurry to ever rewatch that to be honest I just wanted to get to the end to find out what is going to happen.

I think that's the problem when you set your show up as one big mystery - you just want answers and you want to skip the non essentials.

That being said, doctor and Saru were awesome. By far my fave characters I think. Tilly needs to go, she is the most annoying person I've ever seen on a show. I loathe her more than Mick.

Evade

CramCycle wrote: »

I suppose the query was they shot the miners out of the sky without blinking but I presume this crowd radioed ahead.

That's kind of the problem with the scenarios like this. 100 years out at subwarp speed is still within real time subspace communication range.

corkie

flazio wrote: »

I've christened them "Burn-Es"

Made me think of 'Mr Burns' ~~ Weekend at Burnsie's

TheValeyard wrote: »

Do they always fly with the shuttle bay door open?

TheValeyard wrote: »

Has to have a door. :pac::pac: in STO you can open and close the door.

They knew they where planning on launching a shuttle, so opened the doors off screen, to not waste time showing them opening?

McGiver wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing another episode directed by Frakes.

Doing two more this season: -
Warning next future episode name and number: -

S03E08 'The Sanctuary'

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So if Adria lived on a generation ship (implying it's a slow, minimum contact type of deal) how did she end up on earth working for the Earth Defence Force?

How Discovery's Burn Allowed Star Trek To Revive TOS' {SPOILER}
Star Trek: Discovery's 32nd-century dark future brought back the need for Generation Ships, which were seen on TOS, Voyager, and Enterprise.

^^^
"In Star Trek: Discovery season 3, episode 4, "Forget Me Not", it's revealed that Adira (Blu del Barrio) and Gray Tal (Ian Alexander) were aboard a Generation Ship traveling to the new location of Federation headquarters two years before the U.S.S. Discovery arrived in the future. However, the Generation Ship was mysteriously attacked, killing Gray and necessitating the Tal symbiont be placed in Adira as its host, even though she/they is human and not Trill."

^^^ Still leaves a lot unexplained, what happened to prior hosts that required them leaving Earth, assuming she/they where rescued by an earth ship.

Edit:- Some edits done for using gender incorrectly.

CramCycle

Deleted User wrote: »

I took that it was a Starfleet ship locked a 100, or so, years away after the Burn

I suppose the query was they shot the miners out of the sky without blinking but I presume this crowd radioed ahead.

[Deleted User]

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So if Adria lived on a generation ship (implying it's a slow, minimum contact type of deal) how did she end up on earth working for the Earth Defence Force?

I took that it was a Starfleet ship locked a 100, or so, years away after the Burn

PirateShampoo

So if Adria lived on a generation ship (implying it's a slow, minimum contact type of deal) how did she end up on earth working for the Earth Defence Force?

alchemist33

Just remembered, Michael said "milennia" instead of "milennium" for their jump forward in time. Not so perfect now, Ms Smartypants.

TheValeyard

I liked the dinner bit and movie bit.

Trill was nice.

Would have made more sense for Dr.Culber to go to the planet.

When did the Trill get Ori weapons?

Close the fcuking back door of the ship....

Saru is a good Captain.

Ship is AI has totally merged with Sphere to become self aware.

Generation ship makes sense.

Needs less Michael, more Saru, Stamets.

Detmer said more in that episode than the last two seasons combined.

AMKC

McGiver wrote: »

A bit sentimental, but very decent episode overall.
The show is on the right track (within limits and constraints of contacts etc).

Looking forward to seeing another episode directed by Frakes. I believe this one wasn't.

Nope this episode was not directed by him. The last one was.

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Enjoyed the part on trill. Not sure what the party was about

It was not a party it was a dinner with the Captain and it was to try and give this crew of perfects some new meaning to there lifes and to except that things are not now normal as they are 932 years in the future now so all there dates like birthdays all there celebrations all the people they have ever known are gone now.

[Deleted User]

Enjoyed the part on trill. Not sure what the party was about

McGiver

A bit sentimental, but very decent episode overall.
The show is on the right track (within limits and constraints of contacts etc).

Looking forward to seeing another episode directed by Frakes. I believe this one wasn't.

TheValeyard

Evade wrote: »

It doesn't look like it has a door. Mirandas don't either. Was the clutter between the shuttle and the forcefield was really off-putting to anyone else?

Has to have a door. :pac::pac: in STO you can open and close the door.

Evade

CramCycle wrote: »

Surely that's a big design flaw if there is ever power outages etc.

Maybe but Starfleet does like to have backups for its backups. A stray torpedo would have been more dangerous but then they do have magic blast doors now.

CramCycle

Evade wrote: »

It doesn't look like it has a door. Mirandas don't either. Was the clutter between the shuttle and the forcefield was really off-putting to anyone else?

Surely that's a big design flaw if there is ever power outages etc.

CastorTroy wrote: »

Does Detmer have an implant? I thought something had broke in it.
She was starting to sound like she was auditioning for the boat scene in Willy Wonka.

I really hope it's PTSD and it's explored TNG style rather than some cooky bond with the ship or remnant of last season's bad guy.