Dog Botherer wrote: » absolutely right. we should be raiding juvie centres and fast tracking the most mischievous miscreants we can find into the academies.
dor843088 wrote: » What a childish comment.
dor843088 wrote: » If you were in the Ireland dressing room facing England South Africa France . Who would you want to be in the trenches with ? A bunch of clean shaven nice guys ? Unless we look beyond the privileged class we will always be bullied.
Dubinusa wrote: » It's unlikely Stander is starting in 3 years time.
shootermacg wrote: » If you follow CJ's trajectory, he'll definitely be playing in the next world cup and captaining the team.
Dubinusa wrote: » I too agree that the central contracts are detrimental for Ireland. Ringfencing a select few is like tieing yourself to the guillotine . Its likely that several players could move elsewhere for more money, but so what. Irish players for the most part are unlikely to move province, let alone another country. It's also crazy to think that lads like Conway make so little as compared to Stockdale? I reckon Conway is easily our best wing and has been for a couple of years. I believe that Furlong is on a cc! But, Porter isn't? Although Furlong is a better th, the gap between him and Porter is small imo. Imagine if VDF was on a central contract and not even making the 23. Personally, I think VDF is our best 7, but Connors is definitely up to the task. What happens if Leavy comes back at 100%? Who gets a cc? Who leaves Leinster? There's no way that 3 international quality opens ides can stay happy at the same province! Then there's Penny! What about Deegan? Conan and Doris? Which lad is going to be in the international set up? Stander is 30 and playing well , but he's on the backend of his career. It's unlikely Stander is starting in 3 years time. So who would the union give a central contract to? I think a provincial contract with an international pay stipend would work . I.e if Deegan was on a provincial contract and plays 5 times for Ireland in a year, pay him an international wage. Say 25 thousand per international appearance.
Dog Botherer wrote: » Not impossible that he could be surpassed in the starting team in the next few years but he’s an ideal bench player. plays 6/7/8, can even cover the row in a pinch, big carrier, and can captain.
shootermacg wrote: » I don't see anyone near his standard currently, if anything the distance between him and the other Irish options is growing. He's shown that he's got a good passing game, he's a turnover merchant and probably our best carrier too. He's constantly near the top of the tackle charts and there is no letup over the full 80 minutes. The guy almost never gets subbed (I can't remember any games where he was subbed).
TomsOnTheRoof wrote: » Within the squad, over the course of the tournament, CJ is first for carries and turnovers won. Second in tackles and tackles broken and third in metres gained. He also has the fourth most passes made. Some going.
shootermacg wrote: » I would also like to add that his injury free run is probably because of the adamantium coating on his bones.
aloooof wrote: » I think there's a case that he's been our most consistent performer over the last 4-5 years or so?
TomsOnTheRoof wrote: » Without a doubt. Third time in 5 years that he's been nominated for player of the tournament and I'd wager a good Autumn series may see him nominated for player of the year.
shootermacg wrote: » And now that Handsome Rob is off down under, he's probably the best looking man in Irish rugby
kingofthekong wrote: » Lol James Ryan is from a private school, and is easily one of the most aggressive relentless players ireland has ever produced....shouldnt have even given this comment any air at all but here we are
dor843088 wrote: » If james ryan is the most aggressive player ireland ever produced doesnt that prove my point entirely . Compared to the itoje , bakkies botha of this world theres no comparison whatsoever. He doesnt beat defenders he hardly makes any meters. 3 penalties conceded no yellow cards no red cards. Hardly seems like the stats of the most aggressive irish player ever. Quite the opposite in fact.
salmocab wrote: » Just to be clear is someone suggesting that you can only be tough if you’re working class?
kingofthekong wrote: » yup
Neil3030 wrote: » Can't imagine there's too many white South African "hard men" who didn't go to an exclusive private school?
dor843088 wrote: » Yea it's a bit like saying you can only be a talented rugby player if you go to a private school. So let's put 99% of our focus , resources and coaching there. I'm not saying you cant be tough if your not working class ,there are outliers of course. I understand the makeup of the posters on this forum would find it a harsh truth.
dor843088 wrote: » Yea it's a bit like saying you can only be a talented rugby player if you go to a private school. So let's put 99% of our focus , resources and coaching there.
dor843088 wrote: » I'm not saying you cant be tough if your not working class ,there are outliers of course. I understand the makeup of the posters on this forum would find it a harsh truth.
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