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Confederate flags on Shandon Street

dulpit

Hey all,

Every summer for the last few years one of the apartments near the bottom of Shandon street (before the junction to Blarney Street as you're coming up the hill) has had a number of Confederate flags flying out the windows. I didn't see any this year until the last few weeks, so I assume it's tied to the GAA season. I would have thought by now the person would have known why not to fly those flags, and Cork GAA have publicly stated in the past that these flags should not be used.

I'm half tempted to figure out which house it is so I can post them a postcard reminding them what the flags stand for. Unless someone here knows who it is and can give them a gentle reminder.

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Cork Trucker

Cork is the rebel county indeed. Also that street is by and large mostly black people and has been for 15-20 years at least

yenom

This has come up before. The locals which include a lot of black fellas know it's for matches and not them. He seems to have a different flag out the window every week depending on who is playing.

mordeith

bot43 wrote: »

The ironing of something like this being posted on an anonymous forum.

Wish someone would do my ironing online, I've a load of it to do.

bot43

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Before we all "Woke" we thought it was synonymous with Dodge Chargers, CJ7's, cut-off jeans and putting one over on the Po-leece.
Things are so much better now......

What does “woke” mean to you?

From what I can see it’s a term used by daily mail readers to insult people who aren’t complete arseholes.

But that’s just my read on it.

bot43

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

How the fluich can a flag be racist :rolleyes:

They ve been flown at Cork matches for at least 30 years and I'd wager that the people flying them had absolutely no iota what they "stand" for - they've have no connotations outside of the USA. They've nothing go to do with Chinese lads or polish lassies or Nigerian princes - the only minority group that can feel offended by them are AFRICAN AMERICANS from the US like - have we many of them living here?

Ah yes. The “we’ve been flying our flag since before racism was invented” card.

bot43

TomTomTim wrote: »

Simple. Social justice types are often cowardly people. They love to scream names at people on the internet, but reach a stumbling block when it comes approaching people in the real world. I'm sure the strongly worded letter will put the fear in the guilty party though.

The ironing of something like this being posted on an anonymous forum.

bot43

The woke brigade have gone too far. During the rain the other day I put a white hood and mask over my face so my hair and face wouldn’t get wet while walking down Shandon street. Loads of snowflakes starting screaming at me “thaaaaats waaaaaaaaycist”. I asked them how could a piece of cloth be racist. And everyone around me applauded.

whisky_galore

jimgoose wrote: »

The Rising Sun flag is used as the Japanese Naval ensign, and for the military generally. It is true that it is considered offensive in some jurisdictions that were subject to Japanese war crimes, but I personally enjoy the fact that it pisses off the Chinese.

Koreans have a particular dislike of it.

If people want to be dickheads waving this or a Confederate flag around, that's completely up to them.

cantalach

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Neither is the swastika for that matter - it's an ancient religious symbol.
while the nazi party adopted it for its flag

Thanks but I’m well travelled in India and SE Asia, and I think everyone knows that anyway. I didn’t just show any ould swastika. I specifically showed the Nazi flag. I must have been in 100 pagodas and temples in the last 3-4 years and of all the swastikas I’ve seen, I never saw a thick black one in a white disk on a red canvas. THAT particular swastika IS a symbol of anti-semitism, racism, sectarianism, homophobia, etc. It’s disingenuous to argue over over semantics and say that a flag can’t be racist. That’s the same as, “guns don’t kill people - people kill people.”

Nekarsulm

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ah come on now, we'd all be using sterling today if it weren't for the bandits of west Cork, and I'm a Dub.

The bandits of West Cork brought in the European Exchange Rate mechanism?
Feck me, they kept that quiet!
1979, wasn't it?

PreCocious

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ah come on now, we'd all be using sterling today if it weren't for the bandits of west Cork, and I'm a Dub.

I believe there was fighting in other parts of the country as well.

John_Rambo

jimgoose wrote: »

Strictly speaking the Southern Cross, to give it it's proper monicker, was flown as a battle-flag by the army of Northern Virginia during the civil war. It was used in the top-left canton of the actual Confederate States of America flag between 1863 and 1865, known as the Stainless Banner.

I think we're talking present day and what the flag represents in this century.

the beer revolu

olestoepoke wrote: »

Ah come on now, we'd all be using sterling today if it weren't for the bandits of west Cork, and I'm a Dub.

Doesn't change the fact that the term "Rebel County" has nothing to do with the War of Independence.

PalLimerick

dulpit wrote: »

Hey all,

Every summer for the last few years one of the apartments near the bottom of Shandon street (before the junction to Blarney Street as you're coming up the hill) has had a number of Confederate flags flying out the windows. I didn't see any this year until the last few weeks, so I assume it's tied to the GAA season. I would have thought by now the person would have known why not to fly those flags, and Cork GAA have publicly stated in the past that these flags should not be used.

I'm half tempted to figure out which house it is so I can post them a postcard reminding them what the flags stand for. Unless someone here knows who it is and can give them a gentle reminder.

IMO this is Norris Cole behaviour on your part.

olestoepoke

PreCocious wrote: »

The Rebel County - so called because they supported the campaign of a different English King to rule over them.

The Rebel County - where the highest honour is to have a picture with the UK queen.

Ah come on now, we'd all be using sterling today if it weren't for the bandits of west Cork, and I'm a Dub.

jimgoose

whisky_galore wrote: »

So is waving the Imperial Japanese Rising Sun flag around....

The Rising Sun flag is used as the Japanese Naval ensign, and for the military generally. It is true that it is considered offensive in some jurisdictions that were subject to Japanese war crimes, but I personally enjoy the fact that it pisses off the Chinese.

The national flag of Japan has the same Sun emblem but no red bars. It is also used in Caaark to indicate the presence of a curry-house.

jimgoose

Strictly speaking the Southern Cross, to give it it's proper monicker, was flown as a battle-flag by the army of Northern Virginia during the civil war. It was used in the top-left canton of the actual Confederate States of America flag between 1863 and 1865, known as the Stainless Banner.

biko

Maybe you should go knock on the door OP and tell them what you think the flag represents?

John_Rambo

beer enigma wrote: »

Or a Dukes of Hazzard fan

This category -

John_Rambo wrote: »

stupid enough to not know the meaning behind the flag.

beer enigma

John_Rambo wrote: »

This American confederate flag has become a widely recognised symbol of the Southern United States, racism and white supremacy. It is also known as the rebel flag, Dixie flag, and Southern cross.

Anyone raising or hanging the flag is either stupid enough to be racist or stupid enough to not know the meaning behind the flag.

Or a Dukes of Hazzard fan

blindsider

Different symbols (and words/phrases) come to mean different things over time. That's the nature of language. Words that were acceptable 50 yrs ago, are absolutely not acceptable now.

Geography plays a part too e.g. route is not pronounced root in polite company in Australia - it means something quite different!! (It's pronounced the American way row-t rhyymes with about

Many Irish people, and especially the bored media, got upset with Ben & Jerry's Ice cream a few yrs ago: the Black & Tan storm in an ice-cream bowl

https://nowiknow.com/the-ben-and-jerrys-flavor-that-left-a-bad-taste-in-some-mouths/

If many people legitimately take offence by the use of the Confederate flag, which was used by those who supported slavery and the oppression of black Americans (and others), then I would not use it - and I would ask those who do, to listen to the GAA County board and players.

Surely there's another flag GAA supporters could use?

John_Rambo

This American confederate flag has become a widely recognised symbol of the Southern United States, racism and white supremacy. It is also known as the rebel flag, Dixie flag, and Southern cross.

Anyone raising or hanging the flag is either stupid enough to be racist or stupid enough to not know the meaning behind the flag.

BrianBoru00

cantalach wrote: »

Well you did ask.

Again, the flag isn't racist.

Neither is the swastika for that matter - it's an ancient religious symbol.
while the nazi party adopted it for its flag

PreCocious

olestoepoke wrote: »

Erm, the rebel county. Its a long standing tradition.

The Rebel County - so called because they supported the campaign of a different English King to rule over them.

The Rebel County - where the highest honour is to have a picture with the UK queen.

Nekarsulm

Before we all "Woke" we thought it was synonymous with Dodge Chargers, CJ7's, cut-off jeans and putting one over on the Po-leece.
Things are so much better now......

Straight Talker

olestoepoke wrote: »

I'd wager if you went into said businesses and asked them if they knew anything about the flag that half wouldn't have a clue and those that did wouldn't care less. The flag is a tradition among Cork fans and they should be allowed to carry on their traditions regardless of those that are easily offended.

Well the county board have banned Cork fans bringing them to games. It's not often i agree with the way the county board have traditionally done things, but im with them on this one. A man originally from Fiji, was our most recent all ireland hurling winning captain after all. Of course there was never a racist reason, for the usage of conefederate flags by Cork fans. But we have been informed that the flag has connotations with racism and slavery, and i think that sort of tradition as you call it, is something that we as a county can do without. There's plenty of other flags, that we can use to celebrate when we win our next double.;)

cantalach

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

How the fluich can a flag be racist :rolleyes:

Well you did ask.

beer enigma

I always thought it was Dukes of Hazzard, my chances of seeing Daisy Duke have been dashed

Jeepers if we have nothing to worry about bar the fact you aren't seeing the flags then shure we're grand

But if anyone sees Daisy, PM me

Markcheese

It has meaning , in the southern usa particularly, and obviously to african americans,
In cork it's the rebel county thing , the guy is entitled to stick it on his window ... Would I,not a chance
The gas were wise to discourage it ,they don't need the agro ,
If it were used at a gaa match ( or a protest) in conjunction with racist chants or slurs then that's a different story ,

In short ,the more " fuss " that's made about it , the more nutcases will start using it ,the more it'll come to mean something , if it's not used at matches ,and if businesses discourage it ,it'll just slowly disappear ....

whisky_galore

olestoepoke wrote: »

Erm, the rebel county. Its a long standing tradition.

So is waving the Imperial Japanese Rising Sun flag around....