jh79 wrote: » So what's the issue then?
FrancieBrady wrote: » They got more votes than anybody else and were perfectly entitled to call for a place in government. Trump is NOT entitled to a place because he didn't get enough votes. Please try to accept that Trump didn't get enough votes to form a new administration Blanch and Mark. He is telling lies.
blanch152 wrote: » I do accept that Trump didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop his supporters from claiming he should be President. I also accept that Mary-Lou didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop her supporters from claiming she should be Taoiseach.
blanch152 wrote: » I do accept that Trump didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop his supporters from claiming he should be President.I also accept that Mary-Lou didn't get enough votes to form a new administration, that doesn't stop her supporters from claiming she should be Taoiseach.
grayzer75 wrote: » 2020 election results for the 3 main leaders: Mehole 11,505 (2nd count) Mary-Lou 11,223 (1st count) Leo 8,763 (5th count) 2020 popular vote by 3 main parties: SF 535,595 FF 484,320 FG 458,584 2020 seat won by 3 main parties: SF 37 FF 38 FG 35 Going by them numbers the electorate wanted her more than #LeoTheLeak. Roll on the next election...........
markodaly wrote: » Yet, it is a pity that SF didn't do much to try and form a government. RBB wrote them a letter about 3 months after the election and SF didn't even respond to it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Isn't it also a pity that FF and FG didn't behave like democrats and respect the mandate given by the electorate?
markodaly wrote: » What mandate was that, that SF automatically be in government? Surprise surprise, you do not know how PR-STV works.
FrancieBrady wrote: » She did get enough votes (more than anyone else) to form a new administration had the power swap not closed ranks and formed one, despite one of them claiming they never would go into government with FG and the other likening putting FF led by Michael Martin as Taoiseach to putting John Delaney back in control of the FAI. The Trumpian aspect of what happened is clear as a bell. Lie and lie to the electorate to get what you want.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No a mandate that should have ensured that two parties should not have closed ranks and go back on promises they themselves made to the electorate. Trump is trying to ignore the mandate with lies.
blanch152 wrote: » What nonsense is this. They had what looked like a Hobson's choice, go back on promises and go into government with each other or go back on promises and go into government with Sinn Fein. When faced with that choice, they both ran a mile from Sinn Fein as by far the most toxic option. The false narratives you put forward would make Trump blush.
blanch152 wrote: » If she had got enough votes, then she would be in government, that is how our democracy works, you get an overall majority, you are in government. She didn't, and then she tried, with her online backing tweeting #notmytaoiseach to bully her way into government. It didn't work for her, it won't work for Trump. They both share the same toxic ideology of exclusionary nationalism. Obviously, because of the nature of that ideology, they can never be bedfellows, but they can share respect in the same way that Farage and Mary-Lou did in the past.https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/nigel-farage-and-sinn-f%C3%A9in-are-bedfellows-when-it-comes-to-europe-1.3900722 It is also a characteristic of the Trumpian Army that they insult and try to silence opposition in the same way that happens on here to anyone who goes against Sinn Fein. Trump would love the Shinnerbot Twitterati playbook and the SFOS as ways to get back at the mainstream media.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So we will choose which promise to break to suit our cling to power. Pure Trump. Keep the comparisons going blanch...loving it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No a mandate that should have ensured that two parties should not have closed ranks and go back on promises they themselves made to the electorate.
blanch152 wrote: » Nonsense, the scary thing about Trump is that he doesn't break promises.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Lies and easily fact checked.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000 I have better things to be at than play your silly comparison games. Real politics is happening elsewhere. I will leave you and mark to it.
blanch152 wrote: » Wow, just wow. Once gain, your own link lets you down. On the list of promises only three - abandoning Nato, torture and prosecuting Hilary Clinton - are abandoned. On the rest, he has delivered most, partially delivered on others and made little or no progress on some more. However, in most of those where he hasn't fully delivered, the outcome was out of his hands, and a second term may have helped him deliver.
blanch152 wrote: » On the list of promises only three - abandoning Nato, torture and prosecuting Hilary Clinton - are abandoned.
McMurphy wrote: » Doesnotcompute.
blanch152 wrote: » I stand over my post. Nitpicking, you can find broken promises from every person in the world. The scary thing about Trump is that he keeps his far far more than most. The allegation raised by Francie that FF/FG are like Trump in breaking promises does not hold up. Sticking to an toxic ideological exclusionary nationalist populist mob-led approach means the overlap between Trump and Sinn Fein is huge.
blanch152 wrote: » It is also a characteristic of the Trumpian Army that they insult and try to silence opposition in the same way that happens on here to anyone who goes against Sinn Fein. Trump would love the Shinnerbot Twitterati playbook and the SFOS as ways to get back at the mainstream media.
Pkiernan wrote: » The country is in crisis and the IRA want to topple the government with a non confidence vote. How selfish are these thugs?
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