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Anne Hathaway apologies for depiction of limb difference

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https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/1106/1176307-anne-hathaway/

For **** sake. What the hell is wrong with people getting so easily offended?

Before the usual suspects get in to accuse me of being offended by the apology, I'm not. Yes, I'm baffled, but certainly not offended.

It's so bizarre.

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ILoveYourVibes

Blondini wrote: »

You can't call him that any more.

It's now Edward Limb Difference.

Whatever his name he was the crush of a generation of teen girls.

Nermal

One eyed Jack wrote: »

She only realised how it could be hurtful when she became aware of how it affected other people, perfectly normal stuff.

How much of our art, culture and tradition must we suppress or reinterpret to ensure no-one is ever hurt?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

I can manipulate human behavior? Err...

.

Certainly you can. In fact klaz ..it might be your greatest unexploited power!

I cannot speak to your personal experiences obv they are not within my frame of life experience etc.

Blondini

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Edward scissor hands style.

You can't call him that any more.

It's now Edward Limb Difference.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You can manipulate human behavior very well.

I can manipulate human behavior? Err...

Think of how it affected LGBT people in such a short time.

If we say ...lets just let it be ....it will just be.

Ahh.. I'm not entering that rabbit hole. I've seen your views before, and we're at opposite ends there.

You didn't deserve to go through what you did. And saying that ...doesn't make you weak. It makes you stronger in my eyes.

I would have stood up for you ! Not that you couldn't for yourself. But i would support you.

And your support would have been worth absolutely nothing, and in many ways, be worse than nothing. Why? firstly, it still relates to how I deal with my individual situation. Every individual has to come to terms with their own changing environment. Secondly, though, your need to enforce your views on others would simply create more hostility for me to deal with. You wouldn't have to deal with that hostility, but the person you're trying to protect, would. People really dislike having their flaws thrown in their faces, and then, being told to change (but lacking any effective means to bring about change, even if they wanted to)

I agree THIS instance ...this apology ..is about virtue sig...i mean if she cared ..just don't do the film etc.

No. Do the film. It wasn't a film about disabilities. It was a film about fantasy. For entertainment. If people want to see the film, good for them. If they don't, good for them.

This wasn't about people with disabilities until the outraged people sought recognition, and gained that recognition with the Studio/actors apology. YAY. How perfectly useless a gesture.

ILoveYourVibes

iguana wrote: »

Is there a disability where people have 3 long claws for a hand? The athlete in the photo with 'not a witch' written on her arm didn't look anything like the witch claw thing Anne Hathaway's character had. It was completely and totally different and comparing the two is weirdly insulting to people with physical difference. As if all differences are completely the same, including totally made up fantasy supernatural ones.

I don't have a physical disability but I do have a facial birthmark so I have an understanding of having a difference on your body that can result in you being treated differently and shape, to some degree, how you act in the world. And more importantly, how for the most part it really, really doesn't. How it's a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny part of how I am and how people treat me. (Obviously something that meant I had different abilities and need to make adaptations to how I get through life would be a real difference, but this about how people treat people's with differences.) Any campaign of this sort will result in making people feel an absolute fücktonne worse about their differences than just getting on with life. It's looking for problems that aren't there and finding hurt and offence where none was intended. I can't actually imagine how bloody insecure I'd feel about myself if I'd been subjected to this kind of shït when I was growing up. Teaching people about differences, about how not to hurt others, talking about the whats and whys of things is good. But creating problems where there aren't any only hurts people more and makes difference much bigger than they are.

I respect your opinion.

I agree actually.

You need to do things in a way ...so that people don't work out what you are doing.

Do it subversively.

Edward scissor hands style.

iguana

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The Witches: Why are Paralympians writing '#NotAWitch' on their bodies?

As Ann Hathaway herself said, it’s nothing to do with being PC or virtue signalling, for her it’s just about having a basic level of human decency.

Is there a disability where people have 3 long claws for a hand? The athlete in the photo with 'not a witch' written on her arm didn't look anything like the witch claw thing Anne Hathaway's character had. It was completely and totally different and comparing the two is weirdly insulting to people with physical difference. As if all differences are completely the same, including totally made up fantasy supernatural ones.

I don't have a physical disability but I do have a facial birthmark so I have an understanding of having a difference on your body that can result in you being treated differently and shape, to some degree, how you act in the world. And more importantly, how for the most part it really, really doesn't. How it's a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny part of how I am and how people treat me. (Obviously something that meant I had different abilities and need to make adaptations to how I get through life would be a real difference, but this about how people treat people with differences.) Any campaign of this sort will result in making people feel an absolute fücktonne worse about their differences than just getting on with life. It's looking for problems that aren't there and finding hurt and offence where none was intended. I can't actually imagine how bloody insecure I'd feel about myself if I'd been subjected to this kind of shït when I was growing up. Teaching people about differences, about how not to hurt others, talking about the whats and whys of things is good. But creating problems where there aren't any only hurts people more and makes difference much bigger than they are.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

nosferatu would like a word

I know ..but i have a strange need to LOOK like a vampire ok!

I used to draw ..i guess ....differently abled fairies ....but they were all good ..but good in an Addams family kind of way.

I never thought it could get me into trouble tho.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

vampires are depicted as glamorous ..perfect even.

nosferatu would like a word

Blondini

"Limb Difference"

FFS

What's wrong with twisty leg or gammy hand like we used to say in Old Dublin Town.

Stop the world and let me off.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Woah!

Thats some next level stuff there.

Theres a huge difference between being a monster BECAUSE you have a differently shaped body and being a monster WITH a differently shaped body.

Thats madness.

Vampires shouldnt have fangs because people with pointy incisors might get called dracula?

vampires are depicted as glamorous ..perfect even.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its 2020

People who have differently shaped bodies shouldn't be portrayed as monsters anymore.

It makes their lives harder.

It makes children afraid of people who are different in real life. And we know it does.

Woah!

Thats some next level stuff there.

Theres a huge difference between being a monster BECAUSE you have a differently shaped body and being a monster WITH a differently shaped body.

Thats madness.

Vampires shouldnt have fangs because people with pointy incisors might get called dracula?

ILoveYourVibes

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Far as I know, she issued the apology after the film came out, because like she said it’s just basic human decency not to want to hurt or offend other people. She only realised how it could be hurtful when she became aware of how it affected other people, perfectly normal stuff. This kind of stuff for example -

The Witches: Why are Paralympians writing '#NotAWitch' on their bodies?

As Ann Hathaway herself said, it’s nothing to do with being PC or virtue signalling, for her it’s just about having a basic level of human decency.

Well i think knowing hollywoods actual level of intelligence and sophistication I would believe she actually didn't have a clue.

But i mean ...her fee must have been huge and tempting.

TBH though

Coraline ..had a great villain and designed it so well. The other mother.

One eyed Jack

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I agree THIS instance ...this apology ..is about virtue sig...i mean if she cared ..just don't do the film etc.

Far as I know, she issued the apology after the film came out, because like she said it’s just basic human decency not to want to hurt or offend other people. She only realised how it could be hurtful when she became aware of how it affected other people, perfectly normal stuff. This kind of stuff for example -

The Witches: Why are Paralympians writing '#NotAWitch' on their bodies?

As Ann Hathaway herself said, it’s nothing to do with being PC or virtue signalling, for her it’s just about having a basic level of human decency.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

Ah jaysus! In the child's book written by Dahl did this character have elongated fingers?

Maybe you haven't read it, so dont know. That's fine. But maybe let someone who does know answer the question.

My favourite Dahl book was called The Magic Finger and in it a girl rendered a family of thuggish bullies limbless so they had to live in a bird's nest and be fed worms. I managed to not take from that that people who lose limbs are being punished for being kuhnts, young as I was. I did enjoy the revenge and comeuppance in the story, though.

I have read it.:)

No she wasn't depicted like that.

She had claws .three fingers or talons..but covered them ...and wore a mask ...but not two ( i havent seen the movie but i think its like two?)

Right now i am reading only books in spanish to improve ..i re read danny the champion of the world and charlie and the choc factory..and i mean the workers in the factory ...well its pretty racist.

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

If you want to take books literally yes. But obviously that is not very intelligent.

And obv a film that can't point out the metaphor isn't very intelligent either.

Ah jaysus! In the child's book written by Dahl did this character have elongated fingers?

Maybe you haven't read it, so dont know. That's fine. But maybe let someone who does know answer the question.

My favourite Dahl book was called The Magic Finger and in it a girl rendered a family of thuggish bullies limbless so they had to live in a bird's nest and be fed worms. I managed to not take from that that people who lose limbs are being punished for being kuhnts, young as I was. I did enjoy the revenge and comeuppance in the story, though.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

They will or they won't.. because what you're encouraging isn't going to change people's minds/behaviors. Those who are different will receive attention. It's just the way humanity is. How we react to that attention will shape our lives for a long time thereafter. It's less about other people, and more about ourselves. The person with the disability. That should be the focus... but it's not.

This is more about the people who can show their virtue by chasing a crusade.

You can manipulate human behavior very well.

Think of how it affected LGBT people in such a short time.

If we say ...lets just let it be ....it will just be.

You didn't deserve to go through what you did. And saying that ...doesn't make you weak. It makes you stronger in my eyes.

I would have stood up for you ! Not that you couldn't for yourself. But i would support you.

I agree THIS instance ...this apology ..is about virtue sig...i mean if she cared ..just don't do the film etc.

ILoveYourVibes

AnniePowwa wrote: »

outrageously sexy woman

Hathaway ..or the witch?:p

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And you think others should have to go through what you did?

They will or they won't.. because what you're encouraging isn't going to change people's minds/behaviors. Those who are different will receive attention. It's just the way humanity is. How we react to that attention will shape our lives for a long time thereafter. It's less about other people, and more about ourselves. The person with the disability. That should be the focus... but it's not.

This is more about the people who can show their virtue by chasing a crusade.

AnniePowwa

outrageously sexy woman

The White Wolf

meeeeh wrote: »

I think at the moment it's easier to apologise than explain. The whole thing goes away quickly. Warner Bros apologised too. Optics of arguing with people with disabilities would look bad no matter how nonsense the complaint is.

I think this is it, studios are paralysed by the need for making money and actors must be seen to be on the right side of something for fear their career will be damaged.

It's a shame as you can see already that the art is suffering across media, with actors of questionable quality being cast taking precedence over the best available one being cast.

ILoveYourVibes

Hurrache wrote: »

She also needs to apologise to people with big noses and facial scars. Imagine having a large nose and everyone assuming you're a witch.

They did that major theme of anti semitism.

I DO think its funny though that humans have been so manipulated by govts and culture for so long.

There used to be church hymns in medieval times saying it was RIGHT to tax the disabled because they were not godly. Actual hymns sung in church.

And yet people are happy to be manipulated.

Its just to make us feel we don't have to care for people....financially i mean.

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

I didn't ask that, i asked if these limb differences were something Dahl wrote.

If you want to take books literally yes. But obviously that is not very intelligent.

And obv a film that can't point out the metaphor isn't very intelligent either.

Sardonicat

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Dahl wrote it as .....a beautiful woman takes off her mask there is something awful underneath. The witches meeting ....the cover is a children's charity...or govt agency.

I didn't ask that, i asked if these limb differences were something Dahl wrote.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

I've had a strong shaking disorder since puberty. Yeah.. I've learned to be resilient in the face of social ignorance, and violence.

And you think others should have to go through what you did?

ILoveYourVibes

Sardonicat wrote: »

Is this how Dahl wrote the characters?

Dahl wrote it as .....a beautiful woman takes off her mask there is something awful underneath. The witches meeting ....the cover is a children's charity...or govt agency.

It was more about child abuse .....and the mask it wears.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Well then if you are so resilient ..stop moaning and getting triggered by an actress apologizing.

Where have I shown myself to be triggered?

You're projecting. It's a common tactic with you, and it's rather insulting. I Really wish you would stop with this nonsense of applying crap to people that they haven't done, or said.

IF you are so resilient you will survive the change. And it won't bother you.

I've had a strong shaking disorder since puberty. Yeah.. I've learned to be resilient in the face of social ignorance, and violence.

Stop asking for my approval.

haha... you crack me up. really you do. It boggles the mind that you could write this kind of stuff... Where am I seeking your approval? Go on.. quote me.

Utter nonsense. As usual.

Sardonicat

Is this how Dahl wrote the characters?

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah. Hiding the negatives in society does nothing to remove them.

Anyway, it was a movie about witches. Make believe. Fantasy. People need to stop being so damn serious about everything, because they're ruining the joy of leaving this world behind, and entering another one.

This kind of attitude is destroying fantasy as a genre because people are becoming so afraid to express alternative realities. Why? Because every reality must reflect the BS of this reality. Context is dying.

Witches are real actually.

Fantasy has been dead for a while. Because there is nothing new. And its been really dumped down. People are not using it to express wisdom and guide children anymore.

Hiding discrimination of course is never good. Hiding the ugliness of what normal people feel inside .....is what is needed.

Good creators are serious people.

Fantasy IS dying I agree ....no one has anything intelligent to say. And kids are not interested.

[Deleted User]

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I mean Ann Hathaway ...should not say sorry ..she should give the fee away to a charity ..and she should not have taken the job.

Nah. Hiding the negatives in society does nothing to remove them.

Anyway, it was a movie about witches. Make believe. Fantasy. People need to stop being so damn serious about everything, because they're ruining the joy of leaving this world behind, and entering another one.

This kind of attitude is destroying fantasy as a genre because people are becoming so afraid to express alternative realities. Why? Because every reality must reflect the BS of this reality. Context is dying.