everlast75 wrote: » Looks to me like self preservation is kickin in for the GOP. Trump is only useful while president. They need to distance themselves from him while he self destructs
Deleted User wrote: » If the next election is a 2-horse race the GOP will win whether Trump is the candidate or not. I mean seriously, if it hadn't been for Covid it's pretty clear Trump would've had this one in the bag. With the recession coming and the deficit ballooned before that happened the US is going to be a fiscal basket case and voters punish whoever's in power for that.
jasonb wrote: » Georgia down to 9.5k and Pennsylvania down to 90k
murpho999 wrote: » Trump may be a lot of things but hes not stupid. He knew months ago that this election would be difficult. Why do you think he claimed months ago that postal votes could be fraudulent? Then as soon as things start slipping he has a legal strategy ready straight away.
Foxtrol wrote: » I disagree. They gave away their plan to try to steal the election by refusing to accept the results and use the courts but never bothered to get a competent legal or PR team together and someone to head the battle, like Bush had in Florida. Reports that Kushner was calling people the night of the election. They are going to court but doing so with no evidence and being thrown out straight away in nearly every case. It might change but so far it has been pathetic.
murpho999 wrote: » He does have a strategy but it doesn't mean it's good or will work.He has Rudy Guiliani heading up his legal team.
jasonb wrote: » I don't have the energy to stay awake late tonight, and I can't help but think that Biden will pass 270.during the night!
Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: » But he will still have a massive, loyal following. Nearly 100% of the Rep candidates he endorsed won iirc. I think I remember reading that that was some sort of record? I never read too much into it so open to correction. EDIT: I should clarify in Rep candidates in Rep races. I'd contend that Trump got a lot of votes from business owners voting in their own self-interest. I don't remember the numbers off-hand but iirc they weren't great (despite his own proclamations to the contrary) before covid. Covid just laid everything bare.
murpho999 wrote: » Of course they have no evidence as there simply is none. No good legal team can do anything about that. But remember Trump not a normal person. He's narcissistic and megalomaniac. Sure he even said he wouldn't leave the White House if he lost. Apparently it's Trump himself who's pushing his people to pursue legal avenues. He'll fight anyway he can but he's running out of options.
bennyl10 wrote: » Trump to speak at 11..
Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: » I'd contend that Trump got a lot of votes from business owners voting in their own self-interest. I don't remember the numbers off-hand but iirc they weren't great (despite his own proclamations to the contrary) before covid. Covid just laid everything bare.
Deleted User wrote: » It's super-important to remember that the truth barely matters any more, particular in the case of Trump supporters. The way that the economy was before Covid was fine. Unemployment down and all that. Even without Covid however it was a time-bomb with a ludicrous deficit and little room left for growth. It was a question of timing. Kinda similar with 9/11, things were about to get bad but there was a catastrophe that could mask the underlying numbers so once recovery started "Ah sure it wasn't the government's fault". The next 2 years will be incredibly rough with little room for increasing spending. Congress will be split and where will there no way to increase taxes. The map should be excellent for the Dems in 2022 but if we're in the middle of a depression then it won't be.
Foxtrol wrote: » But if they were smart they'd have had a narrative and a public figure that might be able to persuade people. Instead they have rambling Rudy and no name lawyers as spokesmen while Trump tweets in all caps, which are quickly hidden for breaking the twitter rules. It is like his whole presidency from day 1, there is absolutely no planning.
BorneTobyWilde wrote: » https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1324473707121778688
harr wrote: » Off to bed .. I am gone cross eyed looking at figures and listening to yanks all day. If I don’t go now something else will pop up to keep me chart watching way into the night ..again .., Anyway what’s the chances of joe having the 270 before I wake?
Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: » Good points. And regarding the bit in bold it's been speculated that Trump will spend the remaining few months in office doing his best to leave the country (even moreso) in tatters, which the help of Mitch. And then of course, without the Senate, Biden will be a bit of a lame duck with regards to economic recovery. I do agree that the Rep candidate in 2024 will have a very good chance of winning, but I'm not convinced that Trump would have won had covid not come along. It's a handy excuse for his supporters though, because obviously no one can say for certain what would have happened.
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