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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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dogbert27

Alaska is only 50% reported. Are there more mail in votes to count there?

jasonb

Trying to get a sense of where we are in the remaining states. I see on the AP Map that NC hasn't updated its totals in over 24 hours, it's been stuck on 94% estimated votes. I know NC is leaning Trump and Biden probably doesn't need it at all, but am curious about what's taking so long? Nevada announced yesterday they wouldn't be doing anything until today, did NC do the same and I missed it?

StringerBell

murpho999 wrote: »

But he doesn't need either.

Arizona & Nevada is all he needs.

I think he has a great chance in Georgia though.

I'd agree, I just felt like venting my concerns

I think he holds Nevada, and I am confident in Arizona, I've always been strong on Georgia if you have seen any of my posts about them even on election night when he was so far behind initially but I would also really love PA to put the stamp on it. Uphill battles in some areas but doable.

murpho999

PA is really looking good for Biden now.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Over 600,000 votes left in PA. Biden will take it handily when all is said and done.

Water John

Biden will knock 75K off Trumps overall PA lead in Philly alone.

146 minus 75 = 71K margin for Biden to find.

Christy42

murpho999 wrote: »

But he doesn't need either.

Arizona & Nevada is all he needs.

I think he has a great chance in Georgia though.

Sure but I want this in the bag. I have no interest in Biden having a lot of chances and coming up short in each.

dogbert27

murpho999 wrote: »

But he doesn't need either.

Arizona & Nevada is all he needs.

I think he has a great chance in Georgia though.

I really want to see those two called asap but Nevada is only reporting at 75%.

The AP though have Az called already for Biden so I just want it confirmed. He just needs one more State then.

murpho999

Water John wrote: »

The 144K is Philly city area. A lot more state wide.

Ok, now that makes sense
Article I read also says Philadelphia county rather than the state.

So lots more votes to come in.

murpho999

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's a bit confusing as I think there's vote reporting and vote counting and they are different numbers.

Ok, so there's 140,000 postal ballots still to count but there's still more to come in and they're being accepted up to tomorrow.

I think the 140k number excludes postal ballots received after Sunday.

signostic

CNN reporting 50,000 votes left to be counted in Georgia.

Mr.Nice Guy

It was mentioned on CNN that Fulton County will have an update by 4pm our time. We should hopefully have a better picture of things in Georgia before too long.

Water John

The 144K is Philly city area. A lot more state wide.

murpho999

StringerBell wrote: »

Even as Biden closes the gap to 100k+ in PA and he is in with a shout in Georgia I'm actually more concerned today than I've been for the last two days that he may just fall at the line, the only thing keeping me quiet really is that trump clearly thinks he's lost so I assume his campaign teams projections are for him to lose if all votes get counted.

But he doesn't need either.

Arizona & Nevada is all he needs.

I think he has a great chance in Georgia though.

Call Me Jimmy

pixelburp wrote: »

Looking at the figures, Trump apparently increased his votes overall, while his share among whites; so if Biden is truly going for reconciliation it'll take a lot of work. Trumpism seems to be something that won't disappear overnight - especially if the man himself continues to badger from the sidelines. The cult has asserted itself and even if the transfer of power goes smoothly (it won't), the stain will linger. The midterms will be interesting, insofar as seeing what GOP members adopt Trumpist approaches.

It's not simply Trumpism though, it's also people who either were positive or neutral towards him based on policies. He did things different to previous administrations that people wanted to see and the vacuum will be filled by someone else. Hopefully it is someone more polished and less divisive, if that's the case the democrats are going to have a real problem next election because it is a tent that is only getting larger. Democrats seem to be moving towards going after old republicans rather than populists on either side.

prawnsambo

murpho999 wrote: »

Ok, what's the gap now?

Google's tracker (from AP) shows as 89% in an Biden is 164,418 votes behind.

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+presidential+election+2020&rlz=1C1CHBD_enIE859IE859&oq=us+p&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j69i59j35i39j0i131i433i457j0i131i433j69i60l3.3897j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It's a bit confusing as I think there's vote reporting and vote counting and they are different numbers.

StringerBell

peteeeed wrote: »

CNN say 144000 left to count in philly

Yeah bit sure what the count is for the whole state but Biden will need to dominate the remaining ballots, the bulk of which are mail in which gives him a shot but there are election day votes too mixed in which are more likely to be closer.

Hopefully will have a clear picture before much longer.

Brian?

Gbear wrote: »

No, they don't.

Guns can kill people.

They don't need to get into a shootout to sabotage democracy. Their mere presence with deadly force is straightforward terrorism, and designed to disrupt the count and threaten the safety and lives of those working to complete it.

I'm sorry, but that's hyperbole.

Inquitus

peteeeed wrote: »

CNN say 144000 left to count in philly

Is that total outstanding for PA, or just the Philadelphia outstanding? 144k would not be enough to get Biden over the line alone as the gap is currently 153,187.

Current most up to date figures: https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/

murpho999

peteeeed wrote: »

CNN say 144000 left to count in philly

Ok, what's the gap now?

Google's tracker (from AP) shows as 89% in an Biden is 164,418 votes behind.

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+presidential+election+2020&rlz=1C1CHBD_enIE859IE859&oq=us+p&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j69i59j35i39j0i131i433i457j0i131i433j69i60l3.3897j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

StringerBell

Even as Biden closes the gap to 100k+ in PA and he is in with a shout in Georgia I'm actually more concerned today than I've been for the last two days that he may just fall at the line, the only thing keeping me quiet really is that trump clearly thinks he's lost so I assume his campaign teams projections are for him to lose if all votes get counted.

The Iron Giant

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1324341633928826880

Biden's chances in Georgia sound promising.

As an FYI of 2016 totals.

https://twitter.com/jeparlenorvegi1/status/1324339142986289152?s=20

Movementarian

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1324341633928826880

Biden's chances in Georgia sound promising.

Wow thats really close...will likely be a recount either way maybe

peteeeed

CNN say 144000 left to count in philly

Christy42

Brian? wrote: »

Honestly, people need to calm down about the guns. These guys are armed every day. They didn't take the gun out of storage to go protesting.

Most of the long rifles are 22 calibre semi autos. If things kick off they haven't a hope against the police or National Guard. They know that.

they are not all there. They are chanting count the votes at people all ready counting the votes. Imagine someone giving you a cup of tea and you give out to them that they haven't brought a cup of tea. I would not feel safe with that level ó logic and a gun near me.

If they didn't want to be characterised by their guns they could have not brought them. This was their choice and is on them really.

Finally if some nut does kick off the guard can easily handle them. However not before that nut has a chance to kill some people. So not good enough.

listermint

Jo jo the eskimo wrote: »

If Bidan is to talk about unity he really needs to explain himself more. Remember Obama said all this stuff, what Bidan said yesterday sounded exactly the same.
Is he talking about Trumps base or Republican who voted with trump over 90% of the time and kept him there or q or what???

He's talking about Americans.

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Mr.Nice Guy

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1324341633928826880

Biden's chances in Georgia sound promising.

Jo jo the eskimo

If Bidan is to talk about unity he really needs to explain himself more. Remember Obama said all this stuff, what Bidan said yesterday sounded exactly the same.
Is he talking about Trumps base or Republican who voted with trump over 90% of the time and kept him there or q or what???

Infini

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Good question.

What he can do:
Reverse any or all of Trump's Executive orders (Paris Climate change, Iran Deal, Muslim ban etc)

Get all of the Trump staff out of the Executive branch (e.g. Steven Miller)

Appoint all of the various secretaries of the various government departments - although i believe they would also need senate approval but they could do the jobs in an acting capacity

Appoint people to federal positions (such as head of the US post office for example)

Dictate Foreign policy

Command the armed forces

Gets all of the soft power / media attention that comes with the presidency

Gets the casting vote in the Senate (via the VP) should there be any 50/50 ties

Nominate Federal & supreme court judges

What they cannot do with the Republicans likely holding the Senate
pass any major legislation on health care reform, voting rights, environmental issues etc without Republican support - back to everyone hanging their hat on the decisions of Collins and Murkowski

Get rid of the filibuster in the Senate

Get statehood for Puerto Rico & D.C.

Get their preferred judges confirmed to federal positions or the supreme court without republican support - 82 year old Stephen Breyer cannot retire from the Supreme Court safe in the knowledge that Biden could get an equally liberal justice confirmed in his place

add extra judges to the supreme court (packing the court)

For now Damage Control and repairing as much of the damage as possible caused by Trump is the priority. Even IF Biden doesnt get the Senate now there's the mid terms in 2022 that could turn things around but they'd need to retain control of congress as well in order to do that.

Gbear

Brian? wrote: »

Honestly, people need to calm down about the guns. These guys are armed every day. They didn't take the gun out of storage to go protesting.

Most of the long rifles are 22 calibre semi autos. If things kick off they haven't a hope against the police or National Guard. They know that.

No, they don't.

Guns can kill people.

They don't need to get into a shootout to sabotage democracy. Their mere presence with deadly force is straightforward terrorism, and designed to disrupt the count and threaten the safety and lives of those working to complete it.