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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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awec

Headshot wrote: »

Interesting Trump wont make any public appearances for the rest of the day according to the White House, not like him to shy away from the camera, he must be losing it big time

I would imagine the GOP are reigning him in.

Few big names starting to distance themselves.

Itssoeasy

Headshot wrote: »

Interesting Trump wont make any public appearances for the rest of the day according to the White House, not like him to shy away from the camera, he must be losing it big time

Well he can start to remove that massive TV off the wall in the White House.

Podge_irl

thepogues wrote: »

What's the big deal with news channels declaring, "we're calling it for "x"? Surely all that matters is the final count tally regardless of who claims it for whoever?

Yes, all that matters is the official count but the official results won't be certified for days or weeks in some cases. There is auditing of the entire process beforehand.

Ultimately the news networks "projections" are now taken as the defacto results announcement.

Jo jo the eskimo

Everyday since trump came down that escalator the country has gotten progressively more divided with Trumps recent statement and now Giuliani
Millions are going to genuinely believe he was robbed its unbelievably

Itssoeasy

jester77 wrote: »

Chanting to stop the count in Detroit, it's like a scene from the Walking Dead

America a good idea that’s gotten out of hand and someone once said. I mean let them stop the count because Biden is ahead.

Strumms

Headshot wrote: »

Interesting Trump wont make any public appearances for the rest of the day according to the White House, not like him to shy away from the camera, he must be losing it big time

If it was 50/50 or close even he’d be sticking his mug in front of every camera, waving, grinning...but he now knows the game is up....

He doesn’t have the grace or gravitas to put himself out there, instead he’s hiding in the shadows, hoping for a late surge but I think he’d want to be getting the rosary beads out.

prawnsambo

sdanseo wrote: »

Have you a source for that? Their last tweet from Nevada Elections was the one saying next update tomorrow 9am (PT - 5pm here).

I'm not the only one to have reported this on here. But here's a source

thepogues

If Biden gets over the line will he be invited to meet Trump in the White House? Can Trump just put his foot down and refuse (like my five year old son when it's bedtime)?

Itssoeasy

thepogues wrote: »

If Biden gets over the line will he be invited to meet Trump in the White House? Can Trump just put his foot down and refuse (like my five year old son when it's bedtime)?

I don’t think there’s any requirement for trump to invite Biden to the White House. But sure Biden was VP for eight years so he probably doesn’t need to go there.

everlast75

Wouldn't this just be the chef's kiss?

https://twitter.com/AndrewKirell/status/1324114422160334848?s=19

Meanwhile, people seem to have begun reaching the point of giving up on Trump

https://twitter.com/LisaMirandoCNN/status/1324118612219744260?s=19

TomOnBoard

briany wrote: »

He's not having his ass handed to as far as I can tell. He has vastly overperformed vs. what the polls predicted and several of the races have been tight, and although the overall race looks to be tipping toward Biden, Trump has increased his own turnout by 3 million from 2016. If he loses, it would be a loss where he can claim a strong mandate to remain in control of the Republican party.

In addition, despite all the efforts of the Lincoln Project, Meidas Touch and other hard-hitting media campaigns, his down-ballot performance has been strong in that Dem projections of Blue Waves in Senate and House have simply not even been ripples. In fact, Dems may be worse off rather than better off in the new Congress..

Christy42

briany wrote: »

He's not having his ass handed to as far as I can tell. He has vastly overperformed vs. what the polls predicted and several of the races have been tight, and although the overall race looks to be tipping toward Biden, Trump has increased his own turnout by 3 million from 2016. If he loses, it would be a loss where he can claim a strong mandate to remain in control of the Republican party.

Incumbents aren't meant to be that far behind the polls in the first place. The incumbent usually has a massive advantage to begin with.

I agree in terms of the EC it is a close race but if he loses that what good is he. You can't win a majority of votes with him there, he has lost the popular vote twice now which doesn't change the EC but Republicans may worry it will effect downballot races.

Presidents are largely expected to stay away from politics aside from some endorsements. Like is he going to take a senate race in 2 years? From the white House to the senate.

Finally he may have just ruined that with the latest temper tantrum. If he loses today Republicans are less dependent on him and have already started cutting him loose. They need to move to try and defeat Biden in 4 years time.

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everlast75 wrote: »

Wouldn't this just be the chef's kiss?

https://twitter.com/AndrewKirell/status/1324114422160334848?s=19

Meanwhile, people seem to have begun reaching the point of giving up on Trump

https://twitter.com/LisaMirandoCNN/status/1324118612219744260?s=19

Why are FOX so eager to call it for their opponent?

Scuid Mhór

What a day it has been. I remember the moment Trump was elected 2016 and how incredulous I felt at the time. Naturally the day that America decides to reign in some of the insanity, we get a new COVID strain. I’ve been saying since this thing broke out last December in 2019, we need to take care of those minks.

Strumms

MattS1 wrote: »

Why are FOX so eager to call it for their opponent?

Odd, they are fiercely pro trump / pro republicans...

I guess for their rep... their man lost so wanna at least be the first to call it.

briany

When we say that Trump is bleeding GOP support, are we talking about GOP politicians and staffer mainly, or are we talking about GOP voters? Because if it's the former then it really doesn't matter what they think if the latter is largely behind Trump in his inane and insane ravings. The GOP establishment will get behind Trump whether they like it or not, or Trump will take his people and form a new party and the Republicans will be an irrelevant stump.

Water John

TomOnBoard wrote: »

In addition, despite all the efforts of the Lincoln Project, Meidas Touch and other hard-hitting media campaigns, his down-ballot performance has been strong in that Dem projections of Blue Waves in Senate and House have simply not even been ripples. In fact, Dems may be worse off rather than better off in the new Congress..

The Lincoln Project was never about the GOP candidates down the ballot only Trump who they saw as, unfit for office.

Francie Barrett

everlast75 wrote: »

Meanwhile, people seem to have begun reaching the point of giving up on Trump

Mounting a legal challenge to contest this election is going to cost millions and it'll be a completely lost cause. You would like to think the Republican party will not allow party coffers to be used to sponsor such folly.

Christy42

MattS1 wrote: »

Why are FOX so eager to call it for their opponent?

There is a big gap between their news team and their opinion team. The news team called Arizona super early for whatever reason and got loads of flak for it from the Trump team/opinion side of their station.

However Arizona is the only difference between them and every other news station. Maybe they just want to be first but if Arizona gets close I reckon a few of them may get fired as it has to have been massively contentious in the building.

Graham

everlast75 wrote: »

Meanwhile, people seem to have begun reaching the point of giving up on Trump

https://twitter.com/LisaMirandoCNN/status/1324118612219744260?s=19

Sounds like Trump is about to find out who his real friends are.

I don't expect it to take long.

errlloyd

I don't think Fox love Trump. They love Republicans though.

Phoebas

MattS1 wrote: »

Why are FOX so eager to call it for their opponent?

I'd say the hard news side of the house would be in conflict with the opinion side of the house.

When something comes down to a simple matter of fact there's no percentage in not calling it.

Strumms

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Mounting a legal challenge to contest this election is going to cost millions and it'll be a completely lost cause. You would like to think the Republican party will not allow party coffers to be used to sponsor such folly.

They very likely won’t. Also by doing so the reputational damage that the Republicans might endure as a result of this would last a long time, could be 20 plus years before they’d have the capabilities to get a president elected...

TomOnBoard

Water John wrote: »

The Lincoln Project was never about the GOP candidates down the ballot only Trump who they saw as, unfit for office.

Lincoln Project REGULARLY ran ads to undermine Trump-supporting Senators such as Collins, Graham, Mc Connell etc. Like the $200 million pumped into Mc Grath's and Harrisons campaigns alone, not a lot to show for it...

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everlast75 wrote: »

Wouldn't this just be the chef's kiss?

https://twitter.com/AndrewKirell/status/1324114422160334848?s=19

Meanwhile, people seem to have begun reaching the point of giving up on Trump

https://twitter.com/LisaMirandoCNN/status/1324118612219744260?s=19

Ambulance chasing, hardly referring to Rudy there are they?

[Deleted User]

If Biden takes Georgia (I was sure Trump had it last night) in a close race it's a baffling result. For the polls to be 10 points off in other states but get Georgia right shows the issue with the polling isn't just a simple "Shy Trump" vote.

Harry Palmr

It's bit early to ask, but what the heck - who'd be in line for the GOP in 2024?

TomOnBoard

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Mounting a legal challenge to contest this election is going to cost millions and it'll be a completely lost cause. You would like to think the Republican party will not allow party coffers to be used to sponsor such folly.

It'll come from the campaign I'm sure..

Francie Barrett

TomOnBoard wrote: »

It'll come from the campaign I'm sure..

He spent all his campaign money days ago.

murpho999

MattS1 wrote: »

Why are FOX so eager to call it for their opponent?

Because they're still a news station and want to be first.