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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Quin_Dub

Continuation thread from here

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~Rebel~ wrote: »

Well this is something I never thought I’d hear someone say in 2020.

Geeez, WHOOSH!
I was joking

Faugheen

Inquitus wrote: »

I am tired, I mistyped. Biden has WI and MI for sure, PA is a bit more up in the air as he has a much bigger gap to close.

Ah. My apologies.

I too blame my sleep-deprived self for my cranky response.

Windmill100000

I am taking it as a positive that Trump is laying the foundation of defeat by setting the balls in motion that he was robbed. That has given me hope.

Quin_Dub

nc6000 wrote: »

It looks likely they will win about 25 states each.

Not that it's looking like a possible scenario right now , but if that were the case who has the casting vote?

I'd guess the leader of the House (Pelosi in this case ) but given how arcane and convoluted the US system seems to be , who knows?

bennyl10

Biden with a 21k lead in Wisconsin and 10k in Michigan, and they have continued to grow

ya we're all but done here

Francie Barrett

Looks like Trump has awoken from his slumber.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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Last night I was leading, often solidly, in many key States, in almost all instances Democrat run & controlled. Then, one by one, they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted. VERY STRANGE, and the “pollsters” got it completely & historically wrong!

This is embarrassing.

AMKC

Nody wrote: »

Well for nothing else this is honestly amazing:
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1323897443398942726

I'm very curious what the numbers will look like in 2024 and if the negative energy (get rid of Trump at all costs / stick it to the liberals) will still drive people to vote.

How is that negative energy? That is positive energy. Trump and his ilk are negative energy.
I would say it will really depend on how the Biden presidency goes and who will be the candidates in 2024 as to what electoral turnout will be like then.

Quin_Dub

Given how close the Senate is going to be , even under GOP control that special election in Georgia between Loeffler and Warnock is going to be a sight to behold.

Every penny left in either Presidential fund and Party Coffers is going to get emptied into Georgia over the next 8 or 9 weeks.

Hurrache

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Looks like Trump has awoken from his slumber.

This is embarrassing.

He doesn't even understand the American electoral system, or any system for that matter, and how the number come through.

droidus

I don't see Biden winning GA and PA based on current projections.

That would leave us with 270 for Biden.

Shelga

If Biden wins WI, MI and NV he's on 270 right?

But if he loses any one of those, and Trump wins PA, GA and NC, Trump wins the election?

It still seems all to play for?

breezy1985

Hurrache wrote: »

He doesn't even understand the American electoral system, or any system for that matter, and how the number come through.

He knows full well how it works

Faugheen

droidus wrote: »

I don't see Biden winning GA and PA based on current projections.

That would leave us with 270 for Biden.

Nearly everything left is vote-by-mail.

There is simply no way you can make that call. Nearly everything left in Georgia is in Atlanta.

Hurrache

breezy1985 wrote: »

He knows full well how it works

I dunno, anyone else you'd put it down to mischief, with him you just can't credit him that.

Christy42

So was anything actually presented to the supreme Court about stopping the vote or was that all the usual bluster.

I would say the afters could be similar bluster. A lot of threats without a real lawyer needing to lift a pen.

jasonb

I imagine he knows exactly how it works, he just wants to preach the conspiracy theory to his followers...

0gac3yjefb5sv7

If Trump doesn't win, it's fraud. If he wins, it's totally fine.

Mr.Nice Guy

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1324006396397002752

What if this all boils down to Nevada?

Roanmore

What is the basis for his SC challenge?
Is it solely with mail in ballots or the fact that they are counting votes after Nov 3 which was never an issue before?

I see Farage going on about widespread fraud on Andrew Neil show but when asked he said no evidence yet

Nody

AMKC wrote: »

How is that negative energy? That is positive energy. Trump and his ilk are negative energy.
I would say it will really depend on how the Biden presidency goes and who will be the candidates in 2024 as to what electoral turnout will be like then.

Voting to get rid of Trump is not voting on Biden because you like his policies. Obama did not drive voters out in great numbers because getting rid of the republican but because he drove hope in the voting process. Now if we compare the two I agree Trump and Trump's time in power has been far more negative driven but if you had replaced Trump with Bush clone 2.0 for the four years instead do you think the number of voters would been even close to this?

Brussels Sprout

Shelga wrote: »

If Biden wins WI, MI and NV he's on 270 right?

But if he loses any one of those, and Trump wins PA, GA and NC, Trump wins the election?

It still seems all to play for?

Those are the permutations alright. WI & MI seem very positive for Biden now. NV is probably the dodgiest of them. The thing is that Biden has a very good shout in PA and also GA is very close so he has a lot of different paths to victory.

jasonb

If my maths are right, Biden has pulled back 100k in Pennslyvania in the last couple of hours. Still 500k behind though.

It's looking positive for Biden, but until AP calls Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada (tomorrow at the earliest) or he gets Georgia or NC or Pennsylvania, it's not done yet...

murpho999

J2CVC wrote: »

Man you're way out on this. Bookmakers follow the exchanges. They're all the same. If they're not people can hedge bets and guarantee a profit. Believe me the betting market is the best indicator you will find.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Looks like Trump has awoken from his slumber.

This is embarrassing.

Somebody should tell him it's called waiting to count all the votes. Simple.

Movementarian

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1324006396397002752

What if this all boils down to Nevada?

It doesnt look like arizona is in play for Trump at all, 538 are showing it 99% counted and Biden ahead by 3.4 points

VinLieger

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1324006396397002752

What if this all boils down to Nevada?

They are deluded Arizona is 99% reported and Biden leads by 100k, also Nevadas postal votes that are left are all clark county which is at 84% and if it stays at its current percentage for Biden will outweigh any gains he makes elsewhere in the state.

Brussels Sprout

Hmm it seems that AZ hasn't been called. That also complicates matters

droidus

AZ has been called for Biden. Id be very surprised if trump takes Nevada.

extra gravy

jasonb wrote: »

I imagine he knows exactly how it works, he just wants to preach the conspiracy theory to his followers...

And as you can see here, they will lap it up. This was the plan all along.

seamus

Really hard to keep track of counts when different media report different numbers. I'm going with the Reuters one that RTE is using.

Looks like there's about 270,000 votes to be counted from Detroit still, and Biden is winning 2:1 there, which gives him a 90,000 vote lead out of Detroit alone.

With 230,000 other votes still to be counted from the rest of Michigan, Trump would have to win at least 3:1 out of these in order to turn MI around.

Back of napkin calculations, but says to me that it's in the bag.

Suggestions that Trump thinks Az is still available, but Biden is 100,000 votes ahead with less than 100,000 votes to count. So that's a definite.

bennyl10

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1324006396397002752

What if this all boils down to Nevada?

Shouldn't have a hope in Nevada based on whats left to be counted and mail in

they needed MI and WN and now are panicking