nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Child Item

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Quin_Dub

Continuation thread from here

All existing rules still stand.

Everyone will want to be active in this thread over the next few days , but there will be zero tolerance for Forum rule breaches.

Keep it Sensible , Civil and Polite please.

Find more posts tagged with

Quick Links

Comments

road_high

The postal vote factor seems to be a big thing this time- went to bed this morning assuming a Trump win tbh but it’s only in the past 3 hours or so things seemed to be shaping up differently

StringerBell

Dillonb3 wrote: »

Yep, if the GOP hold the senate if it will near impossible to do that. Even getting a Biden nominated justice onto the court will be difficult

I do think Biden will be able to work better with a GOP Senate but without a shadow of a doubt its going to hamstring his administration.

StringerBell

Cantstandsya wrote: »

Crazy election. Went to bed at 3.30 am and it looked like Trump was nailed on to win.

Raging I didn't slap 100 quid on Biden last night, would have bought me a nice few lockdown beers to enjoy the next few months of Trump freaking out on Twitter.

I'd like to have the thread stickied for the next time someone tries to use bookies and exchanges as evidence of some kind of guaranteed outcome in fact.

Dillonb3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does Biden need the Senate to increase the size of the Supreme Court?

Yep, if the GOP hold the senate if it will near impossible to do that. Even getting a Biden nominated justice onto the court will be difficult

Inquitus

Cantstandsya wrote: »

Crazy election. Went to bed at 3.30 am and it looked like Trump was nailed on to win.

Raging I didn't slap 100 quid on Biden last night, would have bought me a nice few lockdown beers to enjoy the next few months of Trump freaking out on Twitter.

I waited a bit longer and went to bed when it was apparent the clusterfeck option was most likely, and here we are!

Mr.Nice Guy

One of Newsnight's editors:

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1323977528176975874

Cantstandsya

Crazy election. Went to bed at 3.30 am and it looked like Trump was nailed on to win.

Raging I didn't slap 100 quid on Biden last night, would have bought me a nice few lockdown beers to enjoy the next few months of Trump freaking out on Twitter.

ancapailldorcha

RonaVirus banned.

Infini

awec wrote: »

Does anyone know what the current status is of the Senate / House elections? Control of either likely to change hands?

House going for Dem's

Republicans 47 Dem's 46 atm, so far one change for both parties. Still in play here right now.

[Deleted User]

Does Biden need the Senate to increase the size of the Supreme Court?

Christy42

Nody wrote: »

Looks like House to Dems by a very slight margin; Senate has two seats flipped (one going Rep - to Dem and one Dem - Rep so zero net effect); most likely to be tie or Rep. in Senate.

Biden will have the edge in that he is able to talk to people and to negotiate so he will be able to occasionally work with Republicans. Trump simply has no hope and generally struggles dealing with his own party if he gets in.

Jimmy Bottlehead

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Where are the trump supporters?

I swear, if I had considerable will power, I'd love to go back and quote all the nonsense. I think the one I remember most referred to how lovely the tears of Biden supporters are, or how embarrassing this election has been for him and asked why he's not quit already.

I hope that, assuming Biden gets in, some of this silly rhetoric and unintelligent nonsense gets quietened down and relegated to the bin where it belongs.

Nody

awec wrote: »

Does anyone know what the current status is of the Senate / House elections? Control of either likely to change hands?

Looks like House to Dems by a very slight margin; Senate has two seats flipped (one going Rep - to Dem and one Dem - Rep so zero net effect); most likely to be tie or Rep. in Senate.

jasonb

breezy1985 wrote: »

What I mean is if a state has 6 votes and votes 66% Biden then he gets 4 and Trump 2.

It would be interesting to see if it would change things much

As far as I know, the two states that don't do 'Winner Takes All' are Maine and Nebraska, and they use some sort of system based on the winners in the Congressional races. In other words, if the state has 6 Congressional Seats, and the Dems win 4 and the Republicans 2, then the EV votes for the general election would be 4 for Dems and 2 for Republicans.

This still isn't based on popular vote though, as obviously one of the Republican seat wins in the example above could be due to a lot more votes than a close Dem seat.

I think Winner Takes All feels naturally unfair (the losing votes don't count at all really), but I can see issues with it being based on popular votes totals within a state. Looking at California with 55 EVs, that means that each 1.81% of the popular vote would be worth an EV, and I could imagine some legal challenges to counts etc, if the result was close enough to bring 1 EV into play for either party.

For what it's worth, Trump would still have won in 2016 if every state used the Maine/Nebraska system back then, as they got so many seats in the House.

Jimmy Bottlehead

McFly85 wrote: »

I can see this dragging on. Looks like Biden could clinch it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump spends the rest of his time trying to discredit the result and bring it to the courts, regardless of evidence.

I find it bizarre that so many people(including many on this thread) are championing this course of action. People speak of Trump as some sort of messiah who can do no wrong and cannot fail, when he’s arguably the worst President the US has ever had.

It seems like millions of Americans don’t actually care about the democratic process anymore, as long as they’re on the winning side they don’t care how they got there.

The last paragraph sums it up.

Culturally, the US values 'winning' and power over pretty much anything else. It is ultra competitive, and being on the winning side, the one perceived as successful and affluent, or 'strong' enough to battle perceived media and state influences is arguably more important to about half of the American people than values or morals.

[Deleted User]

Commentators on CNN and Sky News tipping Biden if postal voting and counting continues over coming days- apparently postal votes so far are 4:1 in favour of Biden

MJohnston

Akabusi wrote: »

When you consider this, the country is in a bad place and Biden winning may only provide temporary respite.

I’ve seen a lot of this on Twitter but to be honest, I think it’s not that bad. Trump may be Trump but he’s also the candidate of a Republican Party lots of people are ideologically enslaved to. There was always going to be a GOP base there for Trump who would hold their noses because they blame immigrants for their lost car manufacturing jobs, or because they’re well off and old and don’t want to pay taxes, or because they are sociopathically obsessed with banning abortion and controlling other people’s lives.

The fact that an incumbent president had to fight this hard and dirty to retain his seat indicates that he’s deeply unpopular.

[Deleted User]

extra gravy wrote: »

Here we go... Trump supporters will be conceding graciously.

I'm not a Trump fan, but if he won the Biden supporters wouldn't be conceding graciously either. Both sides trading plenty of insults

Retr0gamer

terryduff12 wrote: »

4 years later and people couldn't accept the fact trump won, tried everything to get him out. So if trump goes down the same route it will go to show both sides are as bad as each other.

They did accept he won. It was just hard to understand how it happened.

breezy1985

MJohnston wrote: »

This site may update post-election: https://electoralvotemap.com/what-if-all-states-split-their-electoral-votes-like-maine-and-nebraska/#Election_of_2016

Thanks. Exactly what I was after

irishfeen

Wrecked tired but this has been ridiculously addictive since 11pm last night.

While very tentative and early, it looks like the Blue wall could be a brick high. It all depends on the swing of early voting and if it can hold up for Biden.

RoryMac

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

So apparently Biden has broken the record for most votes ever?

Wow. Just shows how popular he is

Biden derangement syndrome will curse trump now for the rest of his life

More a sign of how high the turnout was for this election as Trump is on course to also beat the previous record

ELM327

MJohnston wrote: »

You want to clear up what you mean about PA’s popular vote not mattering?

Way to twist things. Good job. If you took that from what I said then more power to you.

Brian? wrote: »

It’s clear alright. He needs to win Pa, Ga and Mi

Exactly.

UpBack1234

El Sueño wrote: »

Trump's speech earlier was a disgrace, to me it beggars belief that he got a single vote, nevermind x number of million. Christ Almighty

I've been urging caution on looking at US politics through a European lens for a long time. America is a very foreign country and to many over there (almost 70 million so far) he's god's gift. I find it hard to fathom myself, but he represents a large part of what America is.

awec

Does anyone know what the current status is of the Senate / House elections? Control of either likely to change hands?

terryduff12

McFly85 wrote: »

I can see this dragging on. Looks like Biden could clinch it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump spends the rest of his time trying to discredit the result and bring it to the courts, regardless of evidence.

I find it bizarre that so many people(including many on this thread) are championing this course of action. People speak of Trump as some sort of messiah who can do no wrong and cannot fail, when he’s arguably the worst President the US has ever had.

It seems like millions of Americans don’t actually care about the democratic process anymore, as long as they’re on the winning side they don’t care how they got there.

4 years later and people couldn't accept the fact trump won, tried everything to get him out. So if trump goes down the same route it will go to show both sides are as bad as each other.

MJohnston

breezy1985 wrote: »

Is there anywhere I could get a breakdown of what the electoral college votes would look like if states had to split them based on percentage of the vote

This site may update post-election: https://electoralvotemap.com/what-if-all-states-split-their-electoral-votes-like-maine-and-nebraska/#Election_of_2016

breezy1985

MJohnston wrote: »

Well that would just look like the popular vote, surely?

Edit: oh i guess you mean the per-state popular vote. Hmmm

What I mean is if a state has 6 votes and votes 66% Biden then he gets 4 and Trump 2.

It would be interesting to see if it would change things much

peteeeed

Christy42 wrote: »

I don't mind supporters doing it. I feel some are still premature calling it for Biden here.

Trump calling it last night was ridiculous. I guess it is all to build a narrative which is all he cares about. Looks like the media was ready for it after his warnings and didn't bite.

well its playing out now , trump and his team obviously saw what was going to unfold , why would someone say he was going to go to the supreme court if he was going to win

StringerBell

letowski wrote: »

It’s funny thinking back to 4am to 5am last night and the panic within the ranks. You read and prepare for the ‘red mirage’ but when you see Trump up 16 in Pennsylvania and 8 in Michigan it is hard not to get worried.

That was a long night.

Some of us kept our composure though