440Hertz wrote: » Trump and the GOP certainly won’t deliver for the Rust Belt, but the problem is neither have the Democratic Party, who took their loyalty for granted. The Dems have drifted way too far to the right on socioeconomic policies, while being entirely focused on trendy urban areas and that’s being reflected in their vote. For example, they should be able to get rust belt and agricultural votes in a bigger way than they do, but they haven’t been listening for many years. Trump is just a grifter and told the Rustbelt what they want to hear. He’s no ability to deliver any of it and most of it is totally contrary to GOP free market ideology, which would let those areas die off as they’re no longer economically viable. The Dems would be far better off not responding to the GOP talking points, which are mostly about religious conservative issues and guns and so on, and instead just present an alternative and positive plan and actually engage with people, beyond the bubble. The GOP has successfully framed everything around a largely false culture war and they’re thriving on it. The Democrats keep feeding the troll and engaging with negative campaigns and tribalism. They should be trying to push out a clean, fresh alternative view of what America could be.
FatRat wrote: » For anyone interested, Steven Crowder on Youtube (Big trump guy) currently has Don Junior on a facetime live from the white house An independent Youtuber providing better election coverage than all the major media. Edit; just to be clear it's obvioualy sickly pro trump. I'm not saying it's better material, just better access
rosser44 wrote: » But you have to agree that the idea that trump is going to bring back manufacturing to these poor white areas is laughable - what company is going to pay 10x the wages that they are currently paying in Asia or Africa etc.
Also coal mining is done for, mines in Appalachia are closed for good due to renewables getting cheaper and cheaper.
interlocked wrote: » John King is some pro, the amount of knowledge and able to deliver it on live tv without missing a beat, ah it's a pleasure to watch, ( must have been a quarterback in college with the size of his hands..)
rosser44 wrote: » But you have to agree that the idea that trump is going to bring back manufacturing to these poor white areas is laughable - what company is going to pay 10x the wages that they are currently paying in Asia or Africa etc. Also coal mining is done for, mines in Appalachia are closed for good due to renewables getting cheaper and cheaper. I'm from a rural part of midwest Ireland not a million miles away from the likes of the rustbelt - they are areas that are forgotten and hyper capitalistic policies do nothing for these people, they are collateral damage for the capitalistic machine Edit - I want to clarify that I'm no leftist free money woo merchant, I think the social welfare system in ireland is already too generous
letowski wrote: » This is such a tight race. Its going to come down to Michigan and Pennsylvania. And both those we can't get a read yet. Very exciting and nervy
BonnieSituation wrote: » That Biden lead in Iowa is very interesting.
Manic Moran wrote: » What are the better options that the Democrats are offering them?https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-analysis/bidens-bid-to-attract-rust-belt-workers-faces-troubles-in-his-own-backyard-idUSKBN1W2110 True. So how has Biden earned their vote? If neither of the two candidates has a viable, acceptable proposal, maybe they're making the decision on the next stage of their hierarchy of needs, wants and morals?
dark crystal wrote: » https://twitter.com/PaulBlu/status/1323836714012577793 Absentee votes still to be counted in the three key states. It's going to be a marathon, not a sprint people!
rosser44 wrote: » Well he is the most likely person to start it in the last 70 years, and I include a drunk messy Khrushchev in that estimation
quokula wrote: » The argument has gone from “sure Trump is morally repugnant, but he’s good for the economy” to “sure Trump offers nothing to these voters economically, but neither does Biden probably so they should vote for Trump based on his morals”
El Sueño wrote: » Do people realistically think some of the US pharma/tech companies could pull out of Ireland if Trump gets back in?
partyguinness wrote: » Fox have called Arizona for Biden. Basically no results until Friday with PA and Wisconsin not counting until then.
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