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AMD Navi Discussion

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Embargo lifts tomorrow. Some leaked benchmarks look good. AMD heavily rumoured to discount the GPUs at launch, putting them at direct competition with the 2060S and 2070S, at which it seems to peg or better them.

Competition is great for consumers.

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Headshot

Your going to have forgive me but it's been a very long time since i used AMD GPUs

How are AMD drivers these days better than or equal to Nvidia?

Do AMD have anything like Nvidia Experience?

fergus1001

BloodBath wrote:

UE5 is on the way anyway which is gonna shake things up a fair bit and make most of the proprietary Nvidia features redundant.

considering both ps5 and xbox are built on Big navi and zen Nvidia's advantages are going to evaporate

BloodBath

Overheal wrote: »

Cant say I've ever had issues with Unreal engine on Radeon.

There's no real problems with it but it has favored Nvidia slightly for a while.

PhysX is the default physics system used by the engine and it has RTX support and gameworks if you want to use or play around with them.

It's not a huge issue though with AMD's new cards having RT support which the engine will support and the 16gb of memory is huge. More memory = better graphics always in either real time or static baked lighting scenarios.

UE5 is on the way anyway which is gonna shake things up a fair bit and make most of the proprietary Nvidia features redundant.

Overheal

Cant say I've ever had issues with Unreal engine on Radeon.

BloodBath

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Do we know UK pricing for the 6800 and 6800XT yet? The 5600X caught me a bit by suprise based on the US MSRP.

Hoping it's close to the MSRP in euro as it is in dollars. OEMS will probably be around €50 more expensive though.

The 6800xt seems to up to 20% faster than the 6800 though for only €75 more.

AMD would have killed it sticking the 6800 at €550 but it might still be the best price/performance card on the market especially if it overclocks well.

K.O.Kiki

Overheal wrote: »

PSU reccomendation for the 6800?

It's 250W TDP so can probably get away with 500W quality PSU.

K.O.Kiki

Gimme.

Samuel T. Cogley

Do we know UK pricing for the 6800 and 6800XT yet? The 5600X caught me a bit by suprise based on the US MSRP.

Squidgy Black

Overheal wrote: »

PSU reccomendation for the 6800?

Depends on CPU and if any 3rd party reviewers see any power spikes like the 3080 as it's 300w vs 320, but you're probably looking at around 650w to be safe, if not 750w to really play it safe with a good bit of headroom.

Edit: my bad didn't see it wasn't the XT you were asking about. Probably 550/650 then like the 3070 as it's 220w

Overheal

PSU reccomendation for the 6800?

Wonda-Boy

I would much prefer a pre order system then the F5 marathon...gonna be a case of having 3 screens open and everyone you know trying to get it for you ffs!

MidlanderMan

Headshot wrote: »

When is the 6900XT released?

December.

Headshot

When is the 6900XT released?

deceit

The owner of the place I work for sent me this and I figured it would be suitable on boards also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjOPweJU8eU

Homelander

Yeah, my 3070 hasn't even arrived and definitely getting the 6800XT.

K.O.Kiki

I'm getting on the hype train.

Just wondering where will be best to try & get a 6800 XT.

Wonda-Boy

Fingers crossed, but again it all means absolutely nothing until the 3rd party reviews come out and real world testing. I really hope its not a paper launch also, I gonna be mashing the F5 for the 6800XT to keep me going for the 6900XT.

BloodBath

AMD released some more benchmark slides. A twitter user compiled them into a smaller number of graphs. Looks pretty, pretty, pretty good.

AMD-Radeon-RX-6900XT-6800XT-6800-vs-GeForce-RTX-3090-3080-2080Ti-4K-1536x864.jpg

AMD-Radeon-RX-6900XT-6800XT-6800-vs-GeForce-RTX-3090-3080-2080Ti-2K-1536x864.jpg

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-discloses-more-radeon-rx-6900xt-rx-6800xt-and-rx-6800-gaming-benchmarks

BloodBath

I know you're only taking the piss but I never said too expensive, just said too close to the xt in price. Not good enough market segmentation there.

The 3070 however is too expensive for what it is. Sure yeah it's close to a 2080ti in performance for around €500-550 but that's a 2 year old card and the 3070 only has 8gb of memory which already matters now. It's gonna matter even more as time passes.

If I'm gonna blow €500-600 on a card for the next 2 years I don't want to be turning texture options down which you will already have to do in a handful of titles even at 1440p.

grogi

BloodBath wrote: »

6800 is priced great. It wrecks the 3070 and has double the memory for only a few more beans.

It is priced too close to the 6800xt though.

Is it priced great or is it too expensive? You cannot have two at the same time ;P

BloodBath wrote: »

I'd probably stump up the extra 75 for the xt.

That's exactly what they want you to do

BloodBath

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Decided I'm going for a 5600X and a 6800 Vanilla (probably), it's more power than I need. Gonna wait on the GPU possibly even until the new year and see what happens with the software and the potential 3070ti 16GB. I'm really hoping there is going to be a bit of competition going on in that segment as I think the 6800 is priced just that little bit too high.

6800 is priced great. It wrecks the 3070 and has double the memory for only a few more beans.

It is priced too close to the 6800xt though. I'd probably stump up the extra 75 for the xt.

K.O.Kiki

Wonda-Boy

Really good point made by Linus and that other James Corden lookalike in relation to reviews on AMD, smart move is to wait for the end user reviews (like us GEEKS) not just the likes of Jayz2cents and Gamersnexus etc as they will not tell the whole story with the likes of compatibility issues across the board.

Personally I cant wait THAT LONG as I need a card yesterday, but gonna order a 6800XT on launch if reviews are good by youtube and then get a 6900XT on launch.

TBH, my preference would be a 3080TI just feel safer with a little bit more VRAM

Samuel T. Cogley

Decided I'm going for a 5600X and a 6800 Vanilla (probably), it's more power than I need. Gonna wait on the GPU possibly even until the new year and see what happens with the software and the potential 3070ti 16GB. I'm really hoping there is going to be a bit of competition going on in that segment as I think the 6800 is priced just that little bit too high.

Samuel T. Cogley

BloodBath wrote: »

I'd imagine DLSS is huge for VR.

Yeah I'm thinking the same thing. It's a shame AMD's answer is still a mystery.

BloodBath

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

What do we reckon on VR? nVidia all the way?

I'd imagine DLSS is huge for VR.

Samuel T. Cogley

What do we reckon on VR? nVidia all the way?

BloodBath

A lot of stuff in the 3d rendering space like Houdini, Substance, Blender etc and game engines like unreal.

Cuda just generally has way better support. On top of that is the RT features which have been added to some of the software and some tensor workflows have been implemented as well which can also accelerate workflows and improve image quality.

At least AMD will have better RT support this time around and the memory amount is huge plus giving full dx12 ultimate support.

Azza

BloodBath wrote: »

That's going to become a lot more common with the new consoles having 16gb of vram. With about 12-13 useable by games.

Nvidia really cheaped out and I wouldn't touch any of the current cards for that reason. My problem with AMD is their poor software support outside of games so there's no ideal card for me yet.

Hoping Nvidia do a reasonably priced 3070ti with at least 12gb of Vram or AMD sort out their software support.

Out of curiosity what software support do you find lacking with AMD?

BloodBath

Azza wrote: »

I think AMD decision to opt for 16GB VRAM across the board is looking like a wise move.

Hardware unboxed are reporting that Watch Dogs Legion exceeds 8GB VRAM at 1440P on its highest settings and there is a performance hit incurred as a result.

Microsoft Flight Simulator seems to use as much VRAM as possible and on 16GB VRAM cards, showing over 10GB usage at 1440p and 12.5GB usage at 4K, though it doesn't appear to have too much impact on performance.

Doom Eternal uses over 11GB VRAM at 4K with ultra texture settings, and anything with less VRAM takes a performance hit. At those settings the Radeon VII actually out performs the 1080Ti and 2080 Super as a result.

Lastly the developers of Godfall have said that 4K/Ultra settings will require 12GB of VRAM, so even the RTX 3080 might take a performance hit with that game.

That's going to become a lot more common with the new consoles having 16gb of vram. With about 12-13 useable by games.

Nvidia really cheaped out and I wouldn't touch any of the current cards for that reason. My problem with AMD is their poor software support outside of games so there's no ideal card for me yet.

Hoping Nvidia do a reasonably priced 3070ti with at least 12gb of Vram or AMD sort out their software support.