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Targeting the elderly and vulnerable is a despicable thing to do

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Who would do such a thing and how can they sleep at night knowing what they did?

Will the elderly lady get her money back?

Will the scumbags' assets be seized?
Will they fuck.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/brothers-pushed-woman-72-to-write-25-000-in-cheques-for-power-tools-1.4398877?mode=amp

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Hellrazer

If it was my family the ****ers would be chopped up Saw style with all the tools they coerced her into buying.

2 years - they`ll be out in less than a year and back to robbing old people again.

Necro

Mod:

After review and a clean up I'm reopening this - with a specific warning. Keep on topic or you will be sanctioned - absolutely no generalisations are permitted.

Keep it civil. I've already had to hand out a number of cards for posts that were over the line.

Rodney Bathgate

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Poor “etiquette” there.

FFS

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

FFS

I don't get it.

BrianD3

My mother has been pestered by these sorts of "people calling to the door" for many years, they can detect that she has cognitive impairment and is very trusting.

I've had some interaction with them myself and pretend that I am stupid/naïve just to see what scams they'll try to pull. It is almost comical how every sentence that comes out of their mouths is a blatant lie or some attempt at manipulation. Even the relatively decent ones can't help themselves.

Of course I would never "tar" these callers as being from any particular ethnic group :rolleyes:

Often the services or (stolen) goods that they are offering aren't even good value, they are such greedy parasites that they'd try to sell stolen tools for more than what they would cost to buy new.

They've been driving around the country during both Covid lockdowns and over and back to GB and "not a bother" on them. Driving commercially taxed vehicles without any legitimate business, claiming social welfare as well. Waved on at Covid checkpoints with the legitimate vans and trucks and even the most obnoxious Gardai are no match for them.

Steve012

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

After review and a clean up I'm reopening this - with a specific warning. Keep on topic or you will be sanctioned - absolutely no generalisations are permitted.

Keep it civil. I've already had to hand out a number of cards for posts that were over the line.

Peoples emotions run high with this particular topic, my 70 odd year old Mam was targeted. You say generalizations (the general amount of crime per head per population is far far higher than any other group) 80% of men over 22 have criminal convictions, that's a generalization ...but a true one.

People have had enough.

Baggly

Mod

Issue with a card? Pm the mod. Don't derail the thread. Rodney is taking time off to consider this.

Atlantic Dawn

snickers wrote: »

Was the stuff they sold her just a pile of broken ****e or was it decent stuff that they may try to buy or steal back worse still it was probably stolen so the little old lady was in receipt of stolen goods.

All fake or burner brand junk worth a fraction of the retail price of the real deal.

Fake Honda generators are another gem they deal in.

Spanish Eyes

BrianD3 wrote: »

My mother has been pestered by these sorts of "people calling to the door" for many years, they can detect that she has cognitive impairment and is very trusting.

I've had some interaction with them myself and pretend that I am stupid/naïve just to see what scams they'll try to pull. It is almost comical how every sentence that comes out of their mouths is a blatant lie or some attempt at manipulation. Even the relatively decent ones can't help themselves.

Of course I would never "tar" these callers as being from any particular ethnic group :rolleyes:

Often the services or (stolen) goods that they are offering aren't even good value, they are such greedy parasites that they'd try to sell stolen tools for more than what they would cost to buy new.

They've been driving over the country during both Covid lockdowns and over and back to GB and "not a bother" on them. Driving commercially taxed vehicles without any legitimate business, claiming social welfare as well. Waved on at Covid checkpoints with the legitimate vans and trucks and even the most obnoxious Gardai are no match for them.

CAB is the only deterrent for recidivist criminals no matter what their ethnicity is. And from what I can see they are upping their game lately. Probably because Covid restrictions give them a bigger lens. I dunno.

Steve012

Baggly wrote: »

Mod

Issue with a card? Pm the mod. Don't derail the thread. Rodney is taking time off to consider this.

Not issued with a card just my post was deleted.

Baggly

Mod

Pm the mod.

gigantic09

I wonder did their sales team just get lazy and try to get this poor lady to buy all the stock. What a couple of dumb callous fools.

Hercule Poirot

gigantic09 wrote: »

I wonder did their sales team just get lazy and try to get this poor lady to buy all the stock. What a couple of dumb callous fools.

You make a valid point here, I'd say if they had scalped her a few hundred euro there wouldn't even be a sentence but the sheer scale of their greed has been their undoing

Kivaro

Foxhound38 wrote: »

If they did make a statement it would probably be blaming this incident on the racist Irish State for not providing them with a designated area to sell stolen tools.

But they are provided these areas all around the country ....... at the local markets and festivals.

Church on Tuesday

dennyire wrote: »

That is some effin statement

I think it's sad TBH.

Up Donegal

biko wrote: »

At least other old people are safe from these two during their stint in prison.
Prison for them isn't rehabilitation, it's simply to keep them from preying on other old people.

They'll probably be out in a few weeks for good behaviour inside. :mad:

Music Box

It's cultural activities mostly that these individuals are involved in. We need to respect this grouping of individuals. They're ethnically diverse really

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Another scummer

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-jailed-for-stealing-271-000-from-elderly-and-vulnerable-1.4402480?mode=amp

punisher5112

The face palm picture is quite fitting to be honest.....

John Frank Wilson

Despicable crime, despicable pair, despicable sentence.

punisher5112

Us settled folk really need to embrace and take on their culture and get it more into society.... Most of us would be much better off.... Paying no tax and driving really nice motors and actually having the cash to go out the weekend

.anon.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

Another scummer

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/woman-jailed-for-stealing-271-000-from-elderly-and-vulnerable-1.4402480?mode=amp

And what have Pavee Point said about this case? Let me guess... absolutely nothing. Why am I not surprised?

[Deleted User]

Another scumbag here.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2020/1106/1176429-sentence-deceiving-elderly/

"Bradut Iosca perfected his craft over a seven-year period and gained confidence over time, earning a living for himself by preying on the compassion, good nature and vulnerability of his victims," Sgt Murphy said.

"He was unapologetic for his behaviour and unsympathetic to the grief and hardship his actions caused to both victims."

The cops had 2 victims but I'd say likely he had more.

Over 300,000 euros, supposedly gone like a fart in the wind.

John Frank Wilson

.anon. wrote: »

And what have Pavee Point said about this case? Let me guess... absolutely nothing. Why am I not surprised?

What have Pavee Point got to do with this case? Do they generally provide comment on criminal cases? Am I missing something?

[Deleted User]

I'm not seeing that connection either.

Montage of Feck

Pkiernan wrote: »

In the US theyd be charged with the crime of Elder Abuse and would have gotten 10 years plus.

Irelands just too far left to punish criminals.

If we were so left they'd surely be sent to the gulag.

Potential-Monke

They're extremely quick to jump to the defence of a mottc when they have been the victim, but never comment on when a mottc is the criminal. Ie: They only shout when they think they have a point.

To many, this is the perfect time for Pavee Point to come out and admonish this kind of activity taking place within one of the groups they represent, but they never do. That's the main issue. It's like they don't want to disagree with the criminals point of view/way of life, but are extremely quick to jump on the bandwagon when it works out for them.

Same is happening with the gubbermint now, instead of ensuring Varadkar is fired and properly prosecuted like nearly everyone else would if they leaked confidential documents, they're defending him. Same can be said of any group/company that only voices their opinions when it's a positive story for them.

[Deleted User]

Pkiernan wrote: »

In the US theyd be charged with the crime of Elder Abuse and would have gotten 10 years plus.

Irelands just too far left to punish criminals.

Indeed, the US, with the largest prison population in the world.

They're doing quite a stellar job.

Geuze

What really gets me about the Romanian criminal is the following:

"During all this time, over a period of seven years, Iosca was being paid social welfare allowance, disability payments, rent allowance, child allowance and travel allowance, generating a further family income of €650 per week.

Sergeant Murphy told Iosca's sentencing hearing at the Circuit Criminal Court in Cork that both victims met him while he was begging on the streets."

I like our EU membership, so I accept EU migration.

I am currently half working / half browsing, at nearly 1am.

But it kills me to pay tens of thousands in tax to give this lad 650 per week welfare.

I will bet that he's not actually disabled.

My solution would be more social insurance, less social assistance.

punisher5112

John Frank Wilson wrote: »

What have Pavee Point got to do with this case? Do they generally provide comment on criminal cases? Am I missing something?

They play down such events and class them as people above us settled folk and we should embrace their culture and we shouldn't question anything they do....