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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Quin_Dub

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Canice Picklington

martingriff wrote: »

If you think a defeat for Trump will having any effect on those examples then you are going to be dissapointed

Trump is the spiritual king of the international far right. All of those I mentioned are part of an international alliance of kleptocracy and all of them take huge succour from Trump being in power. Trump being voted out would not bring any of them down by itself but it would be a clear setback to all of them and a huge encouragement to democratic forces all over the world that despots and despotism and rejection of truth and reason can be defeated. There is often a domino effect in politics.

If he steals the election, on the other hand...

martingriff

Canice Picklington wrote: »

The last four years have been a ghoulish nightmare. The ramifications of tonight are huge, not just for America but for the world. Defeat for Trump would be a massive defeat for the worldwide far right and for dictatorship - for the Brexiteers, for Putin, for Erdogan, for Bin Salman, for Modi, for Duterte, for Bolsonaro, for Orban, for Netanyahu, for Le Pen, for Salvini, for Lukashenko, for Xi, for the fascist scumbags in Ireland who call for the execution of members of the Dail and demand that Covid run rampant through us. It's only a building block from which we can help to build a better world, but it's a vital, necessary one. America must not fail or the world will fail.

If you think a defeat for Trump will having any effect on those examples then you are going to be dissapointed

Canice Picklington

The last four years have been a ghoulish nightmare. The ramifications of tonight are huge, not just for America but for the world. Defeat for Trump would be a massive defeat for the worldwide far right and for dictatorship - for the Brexiteers, for Putin, for Erdogan, for Bin Salman, for Modi, for Duterte, for Bolsonaro, for Orban, for Netanyahu, for Le Pen, for Salvini, for Lukashenko, for Xi, for the fascist scumbags in Ireland who call for the execution of members of the Dail and demand that Covid run rampant through us. It's only a building block from which we can help to build a better world, but it's a vital, necessary one. America must not fail or the world will fail.

listermint

L1011 wrote: »

AOC is in Congress, not the Senate. Furthering the thing that being the apparently furthest left in the Senate isn't particularly left at all.

excuse my poor terminology.

L1011

listermint wrote: »

Interesting, in the year AOC became a senator with a cohort of like minded women also getting in. A former prosecutor and Attorney General is gifted the most liberal 'lefty' award.

Very interesting, Im not even sure you type this stuff without a smirk on your face.

AOC is in the House, not the Senate. Furthering the thing that being the apparently furthest left in the Senate isn't particularly left at all.

listermint

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes

Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019

https://www.thearticle.com/kamala-harris-pragmatic-moderate-or-radical-leftist

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-moderate-not-even-close-welcome-leftist-trojan-horse-operation/

Interesting, in the year AOC became a senator with a cohort of like minded women also getting in. A former prosecutor and Attorney General is gifted the most liberal 'lefty' award.

Very interesting, Im not even sure you type this stuff without a smirk on your face.

[Deleted User]

ELM327 wrote: »

He's from the radical left because of his VP, and because of the obvious choice in 4 years time if Biden gets in.

Harris was picked as a play for the urban black voters in swing state cities like Philadelphia, Detroit etc.

There was a large turnout of black voters in 2008 and 2012 when there was a black candidate on the ballot, but that turnout declined in 2016.

Harris is there to try and get them back out to vote.

L1011

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes

Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019

"most liberal Senator" in the US does not even come vaguely close to "radical left".

The "radical left" in the US barely exist and certainly have no Senators.

duploelabs

Canice Picklington wrote: »

We may not get an official result tonight, but the lie of the land could become apparent quickly enough. It generally does.

Well florida will be announced overnight and if trump loses that then it's curtains for hin

Canice Picklington

We may not get an official result tonight, but the lie of the land could become apparent quickly enough. It generally does.

beggars_bush

Usually I'd stay up for the first few states to declare, but not this time.

ELM327

TomOnBoard wrote: »

In Irish political circles, Kamala would rank just slightly left of Michael Mc Dowell!

So, just slightly left of one of the most right wing people we've had in Ireland?The PDs would be just slightly less right than Renua.

I think thats nonsense. If you're going to come out with hyperbole at least have it make sense.

3/10 would not reccomend

Quin_Dub

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Keep it on topic please.

TomOnBoard

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes

Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019

https://www.thearticle.com/kamala-harris-pragmatic-moderate-or-radical-leftist

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-moderate-not-even-close-welcome-leftist-trojan-horse-operation/

In Irish political circles, Kamala would rank just slightly left of Michael Mc Dowell!

ELM327

duploelabs wrote: »

Kamala Harris, former AG for California, is radical left?? Give over

Yes

Govtrack.us, which has been examining the voting records of US politicians for more than fifteen years, declared Harris the most liberal Senator in 2019

https://www.thearticle.com/kamala-harris-pragmatic-moderate-or-radical-leftist

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/14/kamala-harris-moderate-not-even-close-welcome-leftist-trojan-horse-operation/

duploelabs

ELM327 wrote: »

He's from the radical left because of his VP, and because of the obvious choice in 4 years time if Biden gets in.

Kamala Harris, former AG for California, is radical left?? Give over

ELM327

8-10 wrote: »

Exactly, old white weathered politician who regularly goes to mass, had son in the military and previously had conservative views on gay marriage and abortion after criticising Roe v Wade decision at the time.

Trying to paint him as a radical leftist intent on socialism is just mad.

If this was 4 years ago he'd have suffered the same as Hillary, even more so, as Democrats don't think he goes far enough in policy. That time progressive voters stayed away or voted for Gary Johnston and that helped Trump. That cohort now don't care that Biden is a worse option than Hillary, they've learned their lesson and won't want another 4 years of this nonsense.

Of the 97million early votes, 8million are voters who are voting for the very first time...but an additional 24million are voters who have voted before, but didn't vote in 2016. That's interesting, 25%

Trump's base is strong, but I don't see where he's picking up votes outside of his base.

Biden with >5m excess in popular vote for me, and 330+ electoral college votes

He's from the radical left because of his VP, and because of the obvious choice in 4 years time if Biden gets in.

8-10

20silkcut wrote: »

That’s why Biden was a good choice by the democrats they are not asking people to back a brave new radical vision or a new era of democratic dominance in the form of a young dynamic Obama/JFK type candidate. They are basically selling a break from the madness of the trump era. Breathing space. They have made this a referendum on Trump by running such an inoffensive candidate against him. They can catch a lot of moderate conservatives who don’t like trump with that strategy.

Exactly, old white weathered politician who regularly goes to mass, had son in the military and previously had conservative views on gay marriage and abortion after criticising Roe v Wade decision at the time.

Trying to paint him as a radical leftist intent on socialism is just mad.

If this was 4 years ago he'd have suffered the same as Hillary, even more so, as Democrats don't think he goes far enough in policy. That time progressive voters stayed away or voted for Gary Johnston and that helped Trump. That cohort now don't care that Biden is a worse option than Hillary, they've learned their lesson and won't want another 4 years of this nonsense.

Of the 97million early votes, 8million are voters who are voting for the very first time...but an additional 24million are voters who have voted before, but didn't vote in 2016. That's interesting, 25%

Trump's base is strong, but I don't see where he's picking up votes outside of his base.

Biden with >5m excess in popular vote for me, and 330+ electoral college votes

is_that_so

20silkcut wrote: »

That’s why Biden was a good choice by the democrats they are not asking people to back a brave new radical vision or a new era of democratic dominance in the form of a young dynamic Obama/JFK type candidate. They are basically selling a break from the madness of the trump era. Breathing space. They have made this a referendum on Trump by running such an inoffensive candidate against him. They can catch a lot of moderate conservatives who don’t like trump with that strategy.

He's also called himself a transition candidate. If the US want options for their future, he's a smart choice. If they just want to hunker down inside their respective mutual loathing bubbles and opt for chaos then Trump is the only man for it. I recall being bemused that all dystopian YA novels were set in a version of the US, not any more. I hope for them it's Biden, polls suggest it should be Biden but Trump could still win or try to win. Tomorrow may be a brighter day!

VinLieger

Kiith wrote: »

Anyone staying up to watch this tonight? I know it's unlikely to be decided before tomorrow morning (at the earliest), barring a landslide, but tempted to stay up and watch the footage.

I was but i dont think its worth it this year, its gonna be a mess for days.

Kiith

Anyone staying up to watch this tonight? I know it's unlikely to be decided before tomorrow morning (at the earliest), barring a landslide, but tempted to stay up and watch the footage.

[Deleted User]

20silkcut wrote: »

That’s why Biden was a good choice by the democrats they are not asking people to back a brave new radical vision or a new era of democratic dominance in the form of a young dynamic Obama/JFK type candidate. They are basically selling a break from the madness of the trump era. Breathing space. They can catch a lot of moderate conservatives who don’t like trump with that strategy.

Yes
Hopefully it will lead the way to a more balanced, less confrontational, less abrasive, conservative running in 2024.

20silkcut

8-10 wrote: »

Every Presidential election that includes an incumbent running for a second term is essentially a referendum on his performance.

People pretend it's a free choice between two candidates but it's really not. It's 4 more years v change

That’s why Biden was a good choice by the democrats they are not asking people to back a brave new radical vision or a new era of democratic dominance in the form of a young dynamic Obama/JFK type candidate. They are basically selling a break from the madness of the trump era. Breathing space. They have made this a referendum on Trump by running such an inoffensive candidate against him. They can catch a lot of moderate conservatives who don’t like trump with that strategy.

Wanderer78

8-10 wrote:

People pretend it's a free choice between two candidates but it's really not. It's 4 more years v change

Free choice, in American elections!

8-10

20silkcut wrote: »

At 77 Biden hardly has a long political career ahead of him. This is all about getting Trump out.
That is the only issue for a lot of people in this election.

Every Presidential election that includes an incumbent running for a second term is essentially a referendum on his performance.

People pretend it's a free choice between two candidates but it's really not. It's 4 more years v change

20silkcut

At 77 Biden hardly has a long political career ahead of him. This is all about getting Trump out.
That is the only issue for a lot of people in this election.

Wanderer78

Deleted User wrote:

Yeah I'm not a particular fan of Biden. One weakness of the Left is allowing fragmentation and refusing to hold one's nose in an election. TBH I don't think Biden particular wanted to run but it turns out he was the most popular candidate and most viable, something I'm sure they made completely sure of before he entered the race.

Biden, the left! I think not! He is funny in spitting image though

listermint

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

He's in the race because the Democrat higher ups knew they were going nowhere with the so called "progressives", the likes of Warren, Sanders etc.

He was parachuted in relatively late because he was the only one who could be competitive for those white, older, small c conservative votes that were need in the rust belt.

I don't know if he wins or not, but he was their best shot.

In the current climate. It makes absolute sense to at least right the ship. They can deal with bailing out the water and setting up the pumps once they've achieved that.

listermint

PalLimerick wrote: »

You'd swear Biden was Padre Pio with posters on here. He is a horrible Man, as is his son. Is Trump perfect?, definitely not. Remember these same polls predicted a win for " Madam" President ðŸ˜‚.

Boards.ie users overall are definitely Pro Democrat and biased. Lets wait for the results and don't do what Trump is accused of and count the votes before they're cast, in turn declaring early victory.

Lay off Facebook, read a few books. Perhaps the ones actually about trump and or Biden.

inform yourself and don't be relying on a feed of information from a hugely questionable social media website.

Expect actions from global government's in the next few years to make Facebook accountable and treat it like a publisher so it has to start following actual rules about what's on it.

Everyone is capable of educating themselves properly these days.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah I'm not a particular fan of Biden. One weakness of the Left is allowing fragmentation and refusing to hold one's nose in an election. TBH I don't think Biden particular wanted to run but it turns out he was the most popular candidate and most viable, something I'm sure they made completely sure of before he entered the race.

He's in the race because the Democrat higher ups knew they were going nowhere with the so called "progressives", the likes of Warren, Sanders etc.

He was parachuted in relatively late because he was the only one who could be competitive for those white, older, small c conservative votes that were need in the rust belt.

I don't know if he wins or not, but he was their best shot.