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The Mega MK7 & MK8 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread - Part II

JoeA3

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JoeA3

carsfan2 wrote: »

I wonder have VW been caught out by the new more punitive vrt rates in the budget for higher emissions cars and is this pushing the price up beyond where they would have ideally pitched it?

Yeah I think so. I've been back and forth with a VW dealer today - not for me - my Dad is looking to change up to a new Tiguan. The Tiguan R-Line DSG has been hit with an almost 3 grand price hike after the VRT changes.

JoeA3

hooch-85 wrote: »

Yes- they knocked €9.5k off the cost of the R for early '15 and added nearly 3k of extra spec at the same time. I'd say the few that did buy them in 2014 at full whack €55k (or 60k with a few options) were fairly pi55ed off. I even read somewhere one buyer was considering legal action with VW over it!

http://www.autotrade.ie/index.php/large-vw-price-reduction-for-super-2015-golf-r/16926

There was one very very disgruntled guy who did take legal action but I'm not sure how far he got. He was even posting about it across social media at the time, commenting on every VW Ireland post calling them all sorts

I was talking to a guy from VW Ireland at the time and he was giving me all the low down. Essentially the decision to cut the prices / bump the specs came from Germany. They wanted to shift units, thats all that mattered - to get the brand to the top of the sales charts.

bazz26

Isn't it amazing what car manufacturers can do around pricing when they want to shift metal?

hooch-85

bazz26 wrote: »

I'm no expert on these cars but I do recall the Mk7 Golf R at launch back in 2014 had a high enough starting price. VW then reduced the price of them in 2015. With that and offering very low PCP rates they sold a good few of them here. However prices have been climbing again since then. I'm guessing is that they want to put some daylight between the GTi and R models around pricing, not just performance. Isn't there a Mk8 GTi Clubsport coming? If so I'd imagine it will slot between both on the performance and price front.

Yes- they knocked €9.5k off the cost of the R for early '15 and added nearly 3k of extra spec at the same time. I'd say the few that did buy them in 2014 at full whack €55k (or 60k with a few options) were fairly pi55ed off. I even read somewhere one buyer was considering legal action with VW over it!

http://www.autotrade.ie/index.php/large-vw-price-reduction-for-super-2015-golf-r/16926

bazz26

I'm no expert on these cars but I do recall the Mk7 Golf R at launch back in 2014 had a high enough starting price. VW then reduced the price of them in 2015. With that and offering very low PCP rates they sold a good few of them here. However prices have been climbing again since then. I'm guessing is that they want to put some daylight between the GTi and R models around pricing, not just performance. Isn't there a Mk8 GTi Clubsport coming? If so I'd imagine it will slot between both on the performance and price front.

Max Q

Wailin wrote: »

What was the 7.5 R starting at, low 50's? If so, that's a hell of a price hike.

In early 2018 a DSG 5 Dr R was €48,800 before options when I bought mine.

Here's the pricelist from the period (dated Nov 2017)...

GustavoFring

SaintsYB wrote: »

It all depends on the GMFV though right? Just doing the maths on it using a PCP calculator. Say the car is €65k and you do a 30% deposit which would be €19.5k, if you do a 3 year PCP, surely the car would be worth at least €30k after the 3 years? That would mean a monthly payment of €465 with the typical 1.9% that VW offer. Maybe I’m missing something obvious there though.

I think the GFV has always been around the 37-40% mark on VW stuff meaning 24k ish. Should be worth 30k but it's a huge sum of for 3 years if you have lost 13k deposit and 3 years of payments - 31500 before interest.

Dave PP

Wailin wrote: »

What was the 7.5 R starting at, low 50's? If so, that's a hell of a price hike.

Back in 2015 you could buy a new manual R for @ 45k

carsfan2

I wonder have VW been caught out by the new more punitive vrt rates in the budget for higher emissions cars and is this pushing the price up beyond where they would have ideally pitched it?
Interestingly in the U.K. it is only expected to be price a little above a gti according to Autocar.
60k plus is where I expected Audi to have the equivalent s3.
They will need hefty deposit contributions and zero percent pcp to sell more than a handful.

hazbot

Wow, 62k+

I got a Mk7R in 2016 and having seen the forthcoming Mk8 and not being keen on the looks, I decided to trade it in for one of the "run-out" Mk7.5s in January this year. Was kinda regretting that decision a little in hindsight, given that I have only been able to do 3k kms in it all year. But now I think it's a good thing and I'll just keep it for a long time....

62k price bracket for the Mk8R puts it close to a Tesla Model 3 performance. If I were back choosing a car for 2021 I'd go for the Tesla ! I drove one last year and it was a seriously fun car to drive. Very different animal of course.

SaintsYB

JoeA3 wrote: »

Yes, its all about the monthlies on a PCP these days but the monthly on a 65k car is going to be significantly more costly than it was for me on a 49k car 5 years ago. Unless VW pull some magic beans out and offer some serious finance deals (e.g. I can see them offering a 4 year PCP rather than 3 year), then I think this will be a small seller here.

It all depends on the GMFV though right? Just doing the maths on it using a PCP calculator. Say the car is €65k and you do a 30% deposit which would be €19.5k, if you do a 3 year PCP, surely the car would be worth at least €30k after the 3 years? That would mean a monthly payment of €465 with the typical 1.9% that VW offer. Maybe I’m missing something obvious there though.

JoeA3

In 2015 my R with a few options ticked was around 49k. They started at around 43.5k for a 3 door manual. They definitely crept up a good bit since, the run out R was around 50-51k with no options ticked afaik. Spec-for-spec there was always about €5K between a GTI-PP and an R. The trouble they had then, the Clubsport / TCR came along, so there was a glut of models all within only a few K of each other. I think the Clubsport and R were only a few hundred apart!

I would say MK7 GTI sales suffered in the shadow of the R - its telling that there's relatively very few used GTI's on carzone compared to R's.

There will be a few current R owners in for a serious shock when they go to trade up their 2-3 year old MK7 R for a new one! Many people might choose to go with a GTI.

From reading the blurb in the media, it does sound like VW are trying to pitch the new R as more of a niche/exclusive model, closer to the RS Audi's than the last iteration.

Yes, its all about the monthlies on a PCP these days but the monthly on a 65k car is going to be significantly more costly than it was for me on a 49k car 5 years ago. Unless VW pull some magic beans out and offer some serious finance deals (e.g. I can see them offering a 4 year PCP rather than 3 year), then I think this will be a small seller here.

Will_I_Regret

Any Mk7 GTI owners here selling up?

Muppet Man

Its Good news for 7R owners in terms of resale values holding strong...

Wailin

Golf prices are gone ballistic. Looking at the configurator for the GTD and over 47k with metallic paint and no options.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Wailin wrote: »

What was the 7.5 R starting at, low 50's? If so, that's a hell of a price hike.

Low-Mid 40s a few years ago.

Wailin

What was the 7.5 R starting at, low 50's? If so, that's a hell of a price hike.

Mickiemcfist

carsfan2 wrote: »

62.5k is mental money surely?
Add delivery and metallic and it’s over 64k.
The R will be rare in the country at that money regardless of how good it is.

Aaaaaand over to the PCP thread we go! Its all about the monthlies now, if it works out 10% dearer than the last one per month people will still go for it. It will be interesting to see how brexit/Vat on imports works out though, because the UK PCP deals are probably where 30-40% of Irish R's originated.

carsfan2

62.5k is mental money surely?
Add delivery and metallic and it’s over 64k.
The R will be rare in the country at that money regardless of how good it is.

hooch-85

Volkswizard posted an interesting video yesterday about it. The new head of the R division (now a separate entity from VW like BMW M and Audi Sport) used to be the head of VWs WRC program, also worked for McLaren F1 and previously Ford and was involved in the mk2 Focus RS, so he had a lot of input into how the new R was going to drive. They have turned up the wick substantially it seems.

vintagevrs

Price is a big step alright but I'm very surprised they have put torque vectoring system in place. That's a massive leap forward imo for the driving dynamics. Drift mode sounds novelty and for the PR points, but being able to dial out understeer would really change the way the R behaves.

hooch-85

It was to be expected really. Looks at prices for A35s and RS3s. These will be a rich mans toy as opposed to a do it all performance car for a regular Joe.

SaintsYB

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/10539/Volkswagen-Golf-R-gets-320hp-and-Drift-mode?fbclid=IwAR1GsT0o609bxT16M7KP29S8q_xagzRJfn8BXbiypdsVAbJogOyJU9pAreg

The new R is officially announced and that price is...something.

SaintsYB

I think if I was buying a Mk8 GTI, I'd stick with the standard wheels and buy a set of Pretorias from one of the lads selling them online. Ok, you'll pay twice the price for them compared to Mk8 19"s but if that's driving up the road tax and VRT, you'd be massively winning.

dar83

hooch-85 wrote: »

A lot better than what's on offer today.

While true, it's not really saying much... :P

JoeA3

the original Monzas (even in 17" form) on the MK5 were the last truly lovely looking standard GTI wheel imo. They've made them a bit worse looking with every iteration since. The latest version is an abomination.

hooch-85

dar83 wrote: »

They really weren't though.

A lot better than what's on offer today.

dar83

hooch-85 wrote: »

The 18" wheels on the mk7 were quite nice. They ruined them when they changed to the 7.5.

They really weren't though.

hooch-85

SaintsYB wrote: »

When was the last set of nice standard GTI alloys? Surely they aren't completely braindead and know they look awful?

The 18" wheels on the mk7 were quite nice. They ruined them when they changed to the 7.5.

JoeA3

captainchaos wrote: »

I'm thinking of going for a new GTI next but the stock alloys look really appalling (the GTI wheels have always looked bad but the Mk8 are the worst ever)and would have upgraded to the 19" but not interested if it triggers an additional VRT charge!
I would be happy to take the GTD wheels .........wonder will Volkswagen make that an no cost option?

The factory dictates these things really so I’d be doubtful if the GTD wheel would be an option.
I’d still like to see official confirmation / an updated product guide that confirms the new 2021 prices, VRT bands, etc as there still seems to be a lot of confusion and speculation.