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PlayStation 5 - Now with FAQ in OP.

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Mark Cerny has been showing off the dev kit:

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console

PS5 FAQ:
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/#sf239758641

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Taltos

Two very different games.
Apart from the shared universe I don’t really think they’re that similar.

Zero-Cool

CastorTroy wrote: »

With Demon's Souls released at launch and Bloodborne on the PS Plus, is Bloodborne good practice for Demon's Souls or is it the other way around?

Very different combat systems. DS is janky and slow, BB is responsive and fast. You could use either to prepare for how much you will die.

Penn

Quiksilver wrote: »

To Be honest, i'm more pissed off that the save games don't transfer over to PS5, i never got the DLC for the original Spiderman so it seemed like the best choice to get ultimate version of MM. But as much as i liked the original Spiderman i don't know if i can sit through the whole start of the game again. I was hoping to just jump straight into the DLC that i missed. Maybe someone will work on a converter for the save file but i doubt it. Even though i would have taught that it would be a relatively easy thing to do.

Yeah I think they've made a bit of a shambles of the PS5 Spider-Man situation. I did play the original (platinumed) and the DLC, but even though I might not have played the original again I would have gotten the Ultimate Edition if the save carried over just in case I did get the hankering to play it again. Now I think I'll just get the standard edition.

Zero-Cool

Quiksilver wrote: »

To Be honest, i'm more pissed off that the save games don't transfer over to PS5, i never got the DLC for the original Spiderman so it seemed like the best choice to get ultimate version of MM. But as much as i liked the original Spiderman i don't know if i can sit through the whole start of the game again. I was hoping to just jump straight into the DLC that i missed. Maybe someone will work on a converter for the save file but i doubt it. Even though i would have taught that it would be a relatively easy thing to do.

Same, I just want to play the DLC for original Spidey. I don't mind playing through again but sickner you can't carry over the save. No way am I going for platinum again, that became an awful grind first time around.

sticker

From a 25 year long gamer Bloodbourne is hands down the best game ever made IMO. Its a tough learning curve but an absolute masterpiece.

johnny_ultimate

Bloodborne will teach you to play more aggressively than the earlier Souls games IMO - something that would carry over positively. Equally, Demon’s Souls is a sharper, shorter game than what followed so perhaps a good chance to dip your toes in.

In short, either’s a good entry point in its own way. Bloodborne is the better game simply because it’s better than pretty much every game, and that’ll be doubly the case if it gets a proper performance boost on PS5. I am fairly confident Demon’s Souls will be the most visually impressive launch game at the same time.

Zero-Cool

I Loved Bloodborne but not as much as the Souls games. I had a much more 'fun' time beating DS 1, 2 & 3 and I think that was down to my preferred style of greatshield and sword. I only played through BB once and never tried the DLC so looking forward to giving it another go, hopefully with boosted performance as mentioned above.

jones

Penn wrote: »

Yeah I think they've made a bit of a shambles of the PS5 Spider-Man situation. I did play the original (platinumed) and the DLC, but even though I might not have played the original again I would have gotten the Ultimate Edition if the save carried over just in case I did get the hankering to play it again. Now I think I'll just get the standard edition.

I'm in the exact same position loved Spiderman and i platinumed it along with the DLC but even with the remaster i've no inclination to start it all over again approximately a year later. Stand edition for me too. They were comparing it in length to lost legacy which i also completed and enjoyed so be worth it for that size of a game IMO

Markitron

CastorTroy wrote: »

With Demon's Souls released at launch and Bloodborne on the PS Plus, is Bloodborne good practice for Demon's Souls or is it the other way around?

Bloodborne is one of the best games of all time and easily the best game of last gen (BotW can **** right off back where it came from).

If you haven't played BB I would forget about Demon's Souls, and every other game for that matter, and just play it.

dingledosser

I've avoided Bloodborne because of how hard it's alleged to be. I play most games on easy/story setting, simply because I have very little available gaming time (3 kids under 4). You guys have me tempted though...

Penn

dingledosser wrote: »

I've avoided Bloodborne because of how hard it's alleged to be. I play most games on easy/story setting, simply because I have very little available gaming time (3 kids under 4). You guys have me tempted though...

People say "You will die a lot" about these types of games (and I imagine it'll be the same with Demon's Souls). But I think there's a bit missing off the end of that sentence. It should be "You will die a lot.... at the beginning". It's the game training you about the mechanics, getting you used to the gameplay loop, training you how to approach enemies (separate them, lure them etc).

After that, you die far less in the later stages, usually just to new enemies or bosses until you learn their patterns/attacks. The games are hard, but not insurmountably so. They can just be frustrating early on.

That's the only way Bloodborne could be practice for Demon's Souls or vice versa. It's just about getting used to that type of gameplay loop and mechanics.

SomeSayKos

The difficulty of the souls games has been blown way out of proportion IMO. They're challenging games for sure but there's so much more to them than that

Markitron

SomeSayKos wrote: »

The difficulty of the souls games has been blown way out of proportion IMO. They're challenging games for sure but there's so much more to them than that

Maybe a bit yea, but that was one of their major selling points early on. Sure Namco are probably most at fault with their whole 'Prepare to Die' marketing and what not. Also mainstream games had gotten particularly easy around the time they released, the difficulty made them stand out, especially with all the other dark fantasy games coming out back then.

Taltos wrote: »

Looking forwards to seeing Demon Souls on the PS5, trying to avoid the videos as I want to experience it first hand. Also keen to seeing what’s different in there. Only replayed it recently on the PS3 before I knew it was a 5 release and still really loved it - aged really well.

You don't have much to fear about Demon's Souls, the videos only show the flamelurker and tutorial boss with a small snippet of the level leading up to them.

Taltos

Totally agree with the difficulty of some of these games. What might burn some people out is if they go the route of farming souls to raise experience to get past a certain boss. Personally I enjoy this aspect where needed but totally get some don’t.
Back on Dark Souls against Ornstein and Smaug - kicking my proverbial so much I’ve taken a break - annoying as I’ve beaten them twice in the past but this play through not a chance in hell.

Looking forwards to seeing Demon Souls on the PS5, trying to avoid the videos as I want to experience it first hand. Also keen to seeing what’s different in there. Only replayed it recently on the PS3 before I knew it was a 5 release and still really loved it - aged really well.

Markitron

Penn wrote: »

People say "You will die a lot" about these types of games (and I imagine it'll be the same with Demon's Souls). But I think there's a bit missing off the end of that sentence. It should be "You will die a lot.... at the beginning". It's the game training you about the mechanics, getting you used to the gameplay loop, training you how to approach enemies (separate them, lure them etc).

I'd second this, the starting section leading to the 1st boss is by far the hardest part of the game. Overall the game isn't actually that difficult, it can just be really unforgiving if you don't take the time to learn the mechanics of it. The only real sticking points are the bosses and they are very manageable when you learn their attacks. Even if you can't manage this, you can always just summon help.

How Soon Is Now

No official word on expandable storage yet I take it?

Kinda hoping there be few options to compete with price.

[Deleted User]

sticker wrote: »

From a 25 year long gamer Bloodbourne is hands down the best game ever made IMO. Its a tough learning curve but an absolute masterpiece.

Bit confused by this. The combat is brilliant but surely the complete lack of any story leaves it short of being a masterpiece?

SomeSayKos

AdamD wrote: »

Bit confused by this. The combat is brilliant but surely the complete lack of any story leaves it short of being a masterpiece?

Lack of any story?!?!?!

Markitron

AdamD wrote: »

Bit confused by this. The combat is brilliant but surely the complete lack of any story leaves it short of being a masterpiece?

Whilst I am not personally a fan of From's methods of conveying story, it does have one, and it is quite intricate. Even if it didn't, that doesn't hold it back from masterpiece status. The environmental storytelling in the game is top shelf.

Seeing all the werewolves burning at the stake when you enter Old Yharnam was incredible.

[Deleted User]

SomeSayKos wrote: »

Lack of any story?!?!?!

Should I change that to comprehensible story?

Markitron

AdamD wrote: »

Should I change that to comprehensible story?

Maybe you could change it to 'overt'. It has a detailed but subtle backstory, too subtle in my opinion but **** it, game is still amazing.

johnny_ultimate

Putting aside that Bloodborne does have a story... it’s hardly like story is some mandatory thing for a great game. Tetris Effect is a bunch of pretty imagery and music over Tetris puzzles and is one of the most amazing experiences in the history of video games.

SomeSayKos

I really like the way the souls games deliver their stories. Rather than having explicit cut scenes to tell the story they leave it vague, relying on the environments and item descriptions for the player to piece the story together.
It's the main reason I love these games to be honest.
I love how the community pieces it together also, another big part of the fun for me.

Markitron

SomeSayKos wrote: »

I really like the way the souls games deliver their stories. Rather than having explicit cut scenes to tell the story they leave it vague, relying on the environments and item descriptions for the player to piece the story together.
It's the main reason I love these games to be honest.
I love how the community pieces it together also, another big part of the fun for me.

I appreciate all this, I really do, but half of the time I had absolutely no idea wtf was going on in BB until I watched a Vaati video that explained it to me.

A game's story is always going to be more effective if it is delivered whilst I am actually playing it, not on a forum or YT weeks afterwards. As I said earlier it didn't bother me too much because the environment does a fantastic job of conveying roughly what is going on, and my imagination filled in the blanks.

If they just emphasised a few things a bit more (such as the blood moon and healing church etc) then it would have been perfect IMO.

Wing126

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

No official word on expandable storage yet I take it?

Kinda hoping there be few options to compete with price.

As in the NVME drive? They said PCIE 4.0 is supported yeah. That was in the teardown video.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Internal-Maximum-Performance-SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB/dp/B07TLYWMYW/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=sabrent&qid=1604324663&sr=8-2

This could be a good option, but I'm waiting until some tests are run after launch.

Varik

Wing126 wrote: »

As in the NVME drive? They said PCIE 4.0 is supported yeah. That was in the teardown video.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Internal-Maximum-Performance-SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB/dp/B07TLYWMYW/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=sabrent&qid=1604324663&sr=8-2

This could be a good option, but I'm waiting until some tests are run after launch.

For non game normal or PS4 game storage only, that drive only has a 3400 MB/s read speed. So definitely won't meet the minimum required.

shrewdness

I just started playing Bloodborne in the last month or so. I'd never played any Souls game before but had Bloodborne from PS Plus a while back, though I didn't really give it a proper go at the time. So I decided to start it up again ahead of Demons Souls, to get an idea if I'd like that kind of game - as all I've heard is how brutal they are.

After a shaky start(to put it mildly), I'm really enjoying Bloodborne now. It was very satisfying to get the hang of the combat after initially struggling. As I'm still playing through it and discovering new aspects, I'm just learning bit by bit as I go about the story and trying to figure out whats going on exactly!

Wing126

Varik wrote: »

For non game normal or PS4 game storage only, that drive only has a 3400 MB/s read speed. So definitely won't meet the minimum required.

The one I linked has 5000MB/s transfer speed though?

TitianGerm

Wing126 wrote: »

As in the NVME drive? They said PCIE 4.0 is supported yeah. That was in the teardown video.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Internal-Maximum-Performance-SB-ROCKET-NVMe4-1TB/dp/B07TLYWMYW/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=sabrent&qid=1604324663&sr=8-2

This could be a good option, but I'm waiting until some tests are run after launch.

That's not fast enough.l, it's only 4400 write speed and says up to 5000 read so don't think it maintains that speed consistently.

Wing126

I must be misreading it somewhere, but I'm seeing 5000 MB/s.

It says if your motherboard doesn't support PCIE 4.0, then you'll get the slower speeds, but PS5 does support PCIE 4.0, so it should be getting the faster speeds?

"Based on TLC NAND Flash memory, its performance speeds can reach up to 5000 MB/s (read) and 4400 MB/s (write) when using a PCIe Gen4 motherboard."