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COVID "Brain Fog"

Fathom

Had a bad case of COVID-19. MD claimed I had brain fog after effects. I do pause to remember. Little things. Where's car keys? Did I lock door to lab? Did I log-off? Any library books out? My turn to cook? Suspect this a street term for something else. Does the DSM-V have a reference?

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Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117860934#Comment_117860934

Heartbreaking

The Black Oil

RTE Prime Time on this now. Heartbreaking.

Saw this on Twitter.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7992371/

Fathom

Thanks TBO. This Webinar looks worthwhile.

The Black Oil

May be of interest.

Next Mental Health & COVID-19 webinar

The Little Things that Matter Most in Psychiatry: Microbial Regulation of Brain Function and Behaviour

Dr Gerard Clarke,

Lecturer, Department of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioural Science

Principal Investigator, APC Microbiome Ireland at University College Cork

Registration: http://bit.ly/UCDACAP2158

Webinar 58 in the UCD Academic Child & Adolescent Psychiatry series will take place on Friday 23rd July 2021 at12.30pm.

Fathom

Covid-19 still too new. Only short-term studies available. Needs longitudinal studies to evaluate brain fog and other long term effects.

The Black Oil

BBC File on 4 did a piece on long Covid recently, including medics who had been affected. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000w4t4

I had no idea over 50 bus drivers had died. That's very sad and probably a higher number now.

Fathom

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Cognitive difficulties, disturbances of concentration, attention, memory.

Mostly forget little things. Occasionally, friends and coworkers will catch me staring into space. I'll get a wave of the hand in front of my face. We laugh. Might as well laugh. Crying solves nothing.

JuliusCaesar

Cognitive difficulties, disturbances of concentration, attention, memory.

Yes, it's ****e and the stuff that helps (lists, reminders, etc) doesn't always help.

The main thing is to not beat yourself up about it, take each day as it comes, only do what you can and don't overdo it. All sound advice but often very difficult to implement.

Be kind to yourself, look after yourself - you're the only one who knows exactly how you feel.

Fathom

Thanks Graces7. Hugs for you too. So little is known about Post-COVID side effects. Only short and mid-term studies. No longitudinal yet. Not enough time has passed. But eventually.

Graces7

Fathom wrote: »

One chronic side effect. Sense of time. Late for appointments. Whole days disappear. Weeks vanish. All of sudden rent is due. Never before covid. Always conscience of time. Never late.

(((HUGS))) It is all bad with me just now. In a total daze. Grabbing food if I find myself near the kitchen and I have to see what day it is here on the computer. I started with M.E over 50 years ago,misdiagnosed for 30 years but am taking very great care now. Just accepting how it is helps. It IS physical and you have time on your side. Rest is the key. And time does not matter in my life at my age and with no outside obligations.

All of which is why I am very very happy to stay in total isolation. covid now is not to be thought of.

Just hang on in there day by day? Do as little as you can. Here for you.

Fathom

NSAman wrote: »

...brain fog is not as bad!!!

Mine is random and intermittent. Not a constant. Can go without problems for hours. Days. But then it occurs. Affects remembering little things. Car keys. Or where did I park it? Or did I lock home door immediately after leaving? Passwords, heaven forbid! Now use a secure password manager for work.

NSAman

Fathom wrote: »

Since COVID brain fog. I now use check-off lists. Works for me.

Did this and continue to do so.

What I have found since having the vaccine are that the lungs have improved immensely and the brain fog is not as bad!!!

There is hope!

Fathom

Graces7 wrote: »

A kind of journal?

Since COVID brain fog. I now use check-off lists. Works for me.

Graces7

It is good that it is being recognised. That holds hope.

We with CFS.ME had and have no recognition or help so maybe it will spill over now. I am headed for 80 and have so many similar issues but serendipity. As long as I remember to feed the cats etc … lol..

I live very simply with no real obligations etc so if things get forgotten, no harm done so no stress.

It is the stress it brings that is the "killer" rather than the condition itself. NB sending yourself email reminders helps many folk. A kind of journal?

Fathom

"Cognitive changes associated with COVID-19 will have increasing significance for patient diagnosis, prognosis, and long-term care." GB Stefano, et al. (2021). Selective Neuronal Mitochondrial Targeting in SARS-CoV-2 Infection Affects Cognitive Processes to Induce 'Brain Fog' and Results in Behavioral Changes. Medical Science Monitor (published online).

The Black Oil

BMJ have some useful infographics such as this one which focuses on primary care.

Fathom

"Seeing through the fog of long covid."

The Black Oil

Recent blog in the BMJ.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/03/17/tara-lamont-seeing-through-the-fog-of-long-covid/

Partly as a response to this. https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/themedreview/living-with-covid19-second-review/

60 long Covid clinics from NHS England, wow.

Fathom

Yo Freedive. Thanks. Folks joke about it now. I laugh along. My super boss at university understands. Cuts me slack. To compensate, I use alarms. Guess I'm COVID long-termer.

Freedive Ireland

Fathom wrote: »

One chronic side effect. Sense of time. Late for appointments. Whole days disappear. Weeks vanish. All of sudden rent is due. Never before covid. Always conscience of time. Never late.

Sorry to hear that Fathom, that must be very difficult to manage. Trying to put a positive aspect on it, if some sort of attenuation has occurred it's probable it can be reversed again but may need exercises to do so.
Best wishes.

Fathom

One chronic side effect. Sense of time. Late for appointments. Whole days disappear. Weeks vanish. All of sudden rent is due. Never before covid. Always conscience of time. Never late.

Freedive Ireland

https://neurosciencenews.com/covid-19-brain-17345/

The Black Oil

FYI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gLmMPOHDwM

Fathom

Freedive Ireland wrote: »

It shouldn't be but the idea of comfort food of old, a hearty stew, Shepards pie

Cure for brain fog or not, shepards pie reads great about now Freedive.

Freedive Ireland

SuperRabbit wrote: »

Food is a great comfort to us and that is good and healthy. I don't know why "comfort food" became a bad word, dieticians these days are trying to fight back... of course food is a comfort. Sorry, off topic for the thread but on topic for forum so that's something.

It shouldn't be but the idea of comfort food of old, a hearty stew, Shepards pie, home made cake etc has been replaced by comfort food with high processing, take-aways etc, nothing wrong with a few take aways but the pendulum has gone so far the other way.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769828/
Plenty of evidence for the above but it's still up for debate, thats just one article and of course their will be some opposing the idea.

Fathom

Yo SuperRabbit. Long term. That's me. Dieting scheduled too. Comfort food reads great. Some fool was told to wear a mask before entering this coffeeshop. Commented "Let's get back to normal. Chat with friends without masks or distancing. If you're going to die, you will." I was biting my lip trying to not say anything. More so, I wanted to go over to him and **** him. But I cannot say that on boards, so use your imagination for the ****.

SuperRabbit

Another person here talking about brain fog briefly: https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1116/1178538-taste/
forgetting stuff is on the stove or in the oven

So many people seem to assume that if you don't die you recover and so they don't have to worry about this thing, but gosh the so-far-lasting affects seem awful and there's no data on how prevalent they are yet it seems?

Food is a great comfort to us and that is good and healthy. I don't know why "comfort food" became a bad word, dieticians these days are trying to fight back... of course food is a comfort. Sorry, off topic for the thread but on topic for forum so that's something.

Fathom

SuperRabbit wrote: »

Let me take some leaps... A lot of Covid "long-haulers" report symptoms really similar to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and most CFS sufferers also experience "Brain Fog"

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Currently referred to 'Long Covid' in places, the brain fog/fatigue element is reported, of course as already pointed out we are in the early days of acquiring information.

GP labeled me long-hauler.

Graces7

SuperRabbit wrote: »

Let me take some leaps... A lot of Covid "long-haulers" report symptoms really similar to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and most CFS sufferers also experience "Brain Fog"

Maybe this is useful:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3617392/

The video I linked to before says 70% of covid patients who had mild cases of covid and recovered at home still had heart irregularities months later, and this article specifically mentions Tachycardia

Indeed we do. CFS /ME sufferers including myself are all too familiar with this. It is not surprising as both M.E /CFS and COvid are caused by a virus

Maybe have a read of the M.E Association and Action for M.E web sites as there is a lot of useful info there

Gremlinertia

Currently referred to 'Long Covid' in places, the brain fog/fatigue element is reported, of course as already pointed out we are in the early days of acquiring information. I'm with SuperRabbit in the leaps, like some viral impacts can have ongoing fatigue/muscular/psychological effecta