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Second Captains Part II

wnolan1992

Pfft, second thread, first thread, whatever.

Old thread: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056940110

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dulpit wrote: »

The biggest issue I find at the moment is that I end up listening to reports on sports I'm not that interested in (soccerball) because it's entertaining, but their segments on sports I do like (rugby) are woefully boring. I get that having a former rugby international and current pundit as a brother of a producer means you're likely to use him from time to time, but still and all...

I think I mentioned this before, they also tend to cover the sports differently. A lot of their soccer coverage is about the sports or the wider stories. Rugby in particular is about the tactics of why player X is good at position Y and they should use scheme Z when defending against him or something like that.

I feel the same. They'd have Andy Lee on waxing lyrical about Katie Taylor knocking over a tomato can but had no reportage of Lomachenko vs Lopez last week or Zepeda vs Baranchyk which was one of the best fights of the last 20 years. Rugby is my favourite sport but I don't even bother with it on SC anymore.

Their soccer coverage (kens surrealism) is what I like the most. In fact id listen to Ken on his own every day if that's all the podcast was. He's the brightest star in their sky.

The rugby coverage is myopic and as I alluded to in previous posts laced with South County Dublin corporate jargon and lacks rigorous critique .Everyone is a great lad.

Green and Gold Rugby or the Rugbyruckus (both of which are Aussie based pods) both cover rugby particularly north of the equator more dispassionately and honestly. They are not too close to the players like Gerry Thornley et al are. Morgan Tuirinui's analysis is streets ahead of what we get served up here.

Even Rob kearney mentioned texting a journalist in Japan to say sorry to him . Its all a bit cosy.

dulpit

The biggest issue I find at the moment is that I end up listening to reports on sports I'm not that interested in (soccerball) because it's entertaining, but their segments on sports I do like (rugby) are woefully boring. I get that having a former rugby international and current pundit as a brother of a producer means you're likely to use him from time to time, but still and all...

I think I mentioned this before, they also tend to cover the sports differently. A lot of their soccer coverage is about the sports or the wider stories. Rugby in particular is about the tactics of why player X is good at position Y and they should use scheme Z when defending against him or something like that.

Utopia Parkway

I wouldn't like them to go football only. There are a gazillion football only podcasts out there already. One of the things I most enjoy about SC is they cover a variety of sports. Obviously football, rugby and GAA are the big three but I enjoy when they dip into other sports like golf, tennis, boxing, cycling, etc, a few times a year even though I don't follow those sports all that closely. I like the US sports stuff as well even though I wish they would use other commentators apart from US Murph sometimes. So many interesting reporters on US sports out there to use.

Cienciano

Raoul wrote: »

I don't mind that they cover rugby, it's just the coverage is boring.

I'm not a big GAA fan but I do find that Oisín McConville is decent enough and there is a bit of life in him. Whereas it is difficult to listen to the typical corporate speak rugby bores.

As we are complaining, I don't know if it annoys anyone else and I am probably being totally unfair, but it grates on me when Murphy calls Oisín "Ois". Maybe that is what people call him though. I don't know.

Next rugby section includes a PowerPoint presentation, with pie charts of projected figures for our next game.

Shane Horgan sounds like he's give a HR presentation. I like rugby, but skip it. Unless it's Matt Williams

kippy

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

People in Asia have no interest in Gaa

They don't have any interest in the Second Captains either.
The lads have built up their following over almost 15 years (maybe more not sure) through a lot of very good work with large Irish media outlets and decent content.
It takes an awful lot to get exposure elsewhere but I'd expect the BBC tieup might help with that.

EltonJohn69

kippy wrote: »

How many podcasts and coverage does soccer have? Talking about generally the same stuff over and over again.
The lads are taking in over 700K gross per annum on Patreon alone. That's not a bad return for them doing content that they generally like.
I'd assume there's some more income as part of the second captains umbrella as well as the work they all seem to have and are getting individually now as well.

People in Asia have no interest in Gaa

kippy

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

If they just covered soccer they would have a bigger international audience and make a lot more money

How many podcasts and coverage does soccer have? Talking about generally the same stuff over and over again.
The lads are taking in over 700K gross per annum on Patreon alone. That's not a bad return for them doing content that they generally like.
I'd assume there's some more income as part of the second captains umbrella as well as the work they all seem to have and are getting individually now as well.

EltonJohn69

If they just covered soccer they would have a bigger international audience and make a lot more money

Raoul

I don't mind that they cover rugby, it's just the coverage is boring.

I'm not a big GAA fan but I do find that Oisín McConville is decent enough and there is a bit of life in him. Whereas it is difficult to listen to the typical corporate speak rugby bores.

As we are complaining, I don't know if it annoys anyone else and I am probably being totally unfair, but it grates on me when Murphy calls Oisín "Ois".

Maybe that is what people call him though. I don't know.

[Deleted User]

Cienciano wrote: »

Ken could just talk us through a daily trip to the shops to buy bread and milk and I'd be happy

as long as he didnt keep going on about the crowd noise

[Deleted User]

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Anyone else think Ken’s comment about Frank Lampards hair was a cheap shot !!! ???

yeah and i loved it

dr.kenneth noisewater

I think not being with guests in the studio has a negative effect for them sometimes where the conversations dont flow as well as they used to. Works fine for the 3 lads on their own though

Ol' Donie

Delighted to hear the return of Administrator of the Week today.

That's what I'm paying for.

Utopia Parkway

RedRochey wrote: »

Thought they'd go back to two Monday podcasts now that sport is pretty much back up and running, maybe they think they don't need to put out that much content anymore

Yeah they seem to have quietly dumped the two shows on a Monday. Seems to be a football show on Monday. GAA on Tuesday and maybe rugby on Wednesday.

redbuck

unplayable wrote: »

waiting all day for the pod. trimby and shaggy fml fast forward the full ep. the guys are insufferable

As soon as I heard they were on I just skipped today, can’t take anymore rugby for a while after the audio torture with Rob Kearney last week.

EltonJohn69

RedRochey wrote: »

Thought they'd go back to two Monday podcasts now that sport is pretty much back up and running, maybe they think they don't need to put out that much content anymore

There should be 4 football shows on a Monday

RedRochey

Thought they'd go back to two Monday podcasts now that sport is pretty much back up and running, maybe they think they don't need to put out that much content anymore

~Rebel~

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

I'm very happy with the podcast. It has become very football-heavy over the last while, but I won't complain about it as Ken is undoubtedly the star of the show.

The Rugby talk is boring. I don't even mind Shane Horgan, as he comes across as a nice enough fella, but the coverage of rugby and the way in which it is analysed is just so boring. I will skip Horgan and Trimble (yawn) pod from today. I enjoy listening to Matt Williams as he's willing to actually be critical of the Irish team in a way most other contributors are not. I like Simon Hock and he clearly has a real love and knowledge of rugby, but he is basically a cheerleader for the Irish team these days (maybe it's a deliberate act to provoke the guests?).

The GAA coverage is also quite boring a lot of the time, and they are the pods I'm most likely to skip. I actually prefer listening to them discuss what's going on within GAA circles rather than matches. I enjoy McConville's contributions when I do listen - I think he's straight to the point and is happy to throw out criticism when needed. I thought he was completely wrong on the recent discussion about the championship going ahead, where he was defending the GAA, but at least he's willing to give an opinion rather than sitting on the fence.

Same here... same goes for the Rugby too. I quite enjoy listening to both when the subject matter is a little broader, but totally zone out when they get into the specifics of games. Love everything else though, from US Murph, to the random segments on sports lesser lights, to the players chair, and Ken's political podcasts - you really do get so so much content, it's unreal.

Brock Turnpike

I'm very happy with the podcast. It has become very football-heavy over the last while, but I won't complain about it as Ken is undoubtedly the star of the show.

The Rugby talk is boring. I don't even mind Shane Horgan, as he comes across as a nice enough fella, but the coverage of rugby and the way in which it is analysed is just so boring. I will skip Horgan and Trimble (yawn) pod from today. I enjoy listening to Matt Williams as he's willing to actually be critical of the Irish team in a way most other contributors are not. I like Simon Hock and he clearly has a real love and knowledge of rugby, but he is basically a cheerleader for the Irish team these days (maybe it's a deliberate act to provoke the guests?).

The GAA coverage is also quite boring a lot of the time, and they are the pods I'm most likely to skip. I actually prefer listening to them discuss what's going on within GAA circles rather than matches. I enjoy McConville's contributions when I do listen - I think he's straight to the point and is happy to throw out criticism when needed. I thought he was completely wrong on the recent discussion about the championship going ahead, where he was defending the GAA, but at least he's willing to give an opinion rather than sitting on the fence.

Say Your Number

Generally I don't mind the soccer chat, but a fair amount of it is the same sh1te over and over again, spending half an hour disecting an uninteresting quote from Lampard/Mourinho, VAR, Ken being cynical about some impending transfer, while they are worth listening to because the chance of some gold from Ken, the last while they've been dull and I'm zoning out more and more, but Richie was interesting talking about working as an analyst Monday.

To be honest I find it a bit galling that people here complain about a general sport podcast with an audience of 12,000 covering sports that are popular here, and what makes it worse is GAA/Rugby get feck all coverage compared to soccer.

[Deleted User]

I skip all English premier league talk and I still find the podcast value for all the cost is, so nobody can really have any complaints if they have to skip the small few rugby or GAA ones a month.

Ol' Donie

My interest in the rugby & GAA stuff has lessened as I gradually lost interest in these sports over the years. If I was to listen to any coverage of either, it'd be theirs.

Still Ill

Arghus wrote: »

I find the rugby and GAA stuff to be incredibly, incredibly boring, but the items they do about other sports can be quite good.

But, yeah, a football show all the time would raise zero complaints from me and a fair whack of other people too I suspect. But, having said that, I still don't feel short changed by the sub in any way.

Absolutely this. I'm mainly there for the football, but enjoy the other 'non-regular' items they cover too. It's only GAA and rugby I skip. No complaints on them covering them though. Would be strange if they didn't considering they're our other two main sports. More than happy to play my fiver a month regardless.

kippy

Arghus wrote: »

I find the rugby and GAA stuff to be incredibly, incredibly boring, but the items they do about other sports can be quite good.

But, yeah, a football show all the time would raise zero complaints from me and a fair whack of other people too I suspect. But, having said that, I still don't feel short changed by the sub in any way.

The GAA can be a bit humdrum, am hoping Andy Moran can add a bit to it!
Same feeling on the sub for me. Enjoy the product and don't feel like am getting short changed.

Cienciano

Ken could just talk us through a daily trip to the shops to buy bread and milk and I'd be happy

Arghus

kippy wrote: »

The lads are sick to their back teeth talking about 'football'.
I don't mind any of the content tbh, football rugby etc once it's relatively entertaining.

I find the rugby and GAA stuff to be incredibly, incredibly boring, but the items they do about other sports can be quite good.

But, yeah, a football show all the time would raise zero complaints from me and a fair whack of other people too I suspect. But, having said that, I still don't feel short changed by the sub in any way.

kippy

Arghus wrote: »

If they only ever talked football I'd be totally fine with it.

The lads are sick to their back teeth talking about 'football'.
I don't mind any of the content tbh, football rugby etc once it's relatively entertaining.

Arghus

Say Your Number wrote: »

God I wish someone on this thread would complain about the saturation the Premier League gets, it seems never ending.

If they only ever talked football I'd be totally fine with it.

Say Your Number

God I wish someone on this thread would complain about the saturation the Premier League gets, it seems never ending.

Raoul

unplayable wrote: »

waiting all day for the pod. trimby and shaggy fml fast forward the full ep. the guys are insufferable

I was worried that that may be the case. I wish they would put out a poll on the patreon as to who do the listeners actually want to listen to.