TomTomTim wrote: » The irony. You've just ignored my points about what happens when they become a majority. You're not even worth humoring to be fair.
irishblessing wrote: » From this statement, it is also clear you need to spend some time learning about the definition and meaning of the word racism. White people, generally speaking, can be victims of racial prejudice, bias, bigotry, racial stereotyping, assault, harassment, etc. I hope that clears it up for you. I know change is hard people, but it shouldn't be this difficult to simply look into a word definition. :rolleyes:
irishblessing wrote: » From this statement, it is also clear you need to spend some time learning about the definition and meaning of the word racism.White people, generally speaking, can be victims of racial prejudice, bias, bigotry, racial stereotyping, assault, harassment, etc. I hope that clears it up for you. I know change is hard people, but it shouldn't be this difficult to simply look into a word definition. :rolleyes:
TomTomTim wrote: » If said discrimination is of a racial nature, then it is racist. The only time discrimination is not racist is when it is not racial. Nothing you say makes sense, there's zero consistency. I honestly don't know how people like you live such hypocrisy, I'm certainly not able to.
irishblessing wrote: » Omg. So humour me by reading and considering what I've actually said. You do actually need to engage with me properly if you're going to "humour me." But I doubt that's what you really mean. You don't want to really hear it out, read the article I posted, or do any research yourself first to properly consider it. you just want to attack and stay firm in your own biases. Waste of my time. Minorities cannot be racist. You clearly haven't spent 5 seconds to inform yourself of the definition of racism. And here is the crux of the fear of many of you on this thread: what if minorities become a majority into power and then we white people are treated like them! Lol!!
irishblessing wrote: » Says the poster suddenly injecting him/herself into the conversation without any real contribution? :rolleyes:
Mules wrote: » Here's the oxford dictionaries definition of racism; btw it says nothing about minorities having an inability to be racist. 'The inability or refusal to recognize the rights, needs, dignity, or value of people of particular races or geographical origins. More widely, the devaluation of various traits of character or intelligence as ‘typical’ of particular peoples. The category of race may itself be challenged, as implying an inference from trivial superficial differences of appearance to allegedly significant underlying differences of nature; increasingly evolutionary evidence suggests that the dispersal of one original people into different geographical locations is a relatively recent and genetically insignificant matter.' From: racism in The Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy »
irishblessing wrote: » incorrectly held beliefs.
irishblessing wrote: » If an ethnic minority person treats a white person badly because of inherent prejudice against white people, that is wrong and completely unacceptable, but the wider ramifications are likely to be less significant than if it were the other way around. If a white person treats an ethnic minority badly because of the colour of their skin, not only is it morally wrong, it can also have serious and dangerous implications for the life and prospects of that person.
irishblessing wrote: » Prejudice against white people might make individuals feel bad, but prejudice against ethnic minorities can lead to structural, systemic and lasting disadvantages (in education, healthcare, disproportionate policing, career prospects, among other areas), and this is what makes it racism.
irishblessing wrote: » It is amazing indeed. People are so familiar with the term racist, that they use it synonymously with the words prejudice or racial prejudice, bias, stereotyping, bigotry, etc. However, they're not the same. White people can indeed face stereotypical assumptions based on their skin colour and hence encounter racial prejudice. But this cannot be called racism in western societies, because of the inherent systemic imbalance of power between those with lighter skin colour and people of colour.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice
irishblessing wrote: » Racial prejudice can affect people on an individual level, but it would not have the same effect on a larger social and cultural level because it is only when stereotypes are bolstered by power, such as through a eurocentric model of thinking, that it creates systemic and structural racism and oppression that people of colour have encountered throughout history.
irishblessing wrote: » Some of you need to spend some time educating yourselves in this matter and it shows.
irishblessing wrote: » That is a very simplistic definition of racism. Taking this definition at its word, then, would suggest that it is possible for a person of any race to experience racism if someone treats them badly for this reason – even white people. But this definition of racism leaves out one crucial element: The power structures that uphold and perpetuate racism. Racism doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists within a hierarchical structure with power at its core. If an ethnic minority person treats a white person badly because of inherent prejudice against white people, that is wrong and completely unacceptable, but the wider ramifications are likely to be less significant than if it were the other way around. If a white person treats an ethnic minority badly because of the colour of their skin, not only is it morally wrong, it can also have serious and dangerous implications for the life and prospects of that person. Prejudice against white people might make individuals feel bad, but prejudice against ethnic minorities can lead to structural, systemic and lasting disadvantages (in education, healthcare, disproportionate policing, career prospects, among other areas), and this is what makes it racism. White people would only experience racism if the existing power structures enabled prejudice against them to cause this kind of widespread negative impact – as it does for people of colour. But that’s not how society currently works.
RyanthePirate wrote: » I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus. Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county. Agree/Disagree?
irishblessing wrote: » I bet your head would explode if I told you I have a son who supports feminism!
Mules wrote: » I figured you'd know better than the dictionary :rolleyes:
TomTomTim wrote: » We honestly shouldn't rely on dictionary sites for definitions anymore, as they are constantly being changed to placate the mob. One of them recently added "offensive" to the term sexual preference during the hearing for Trump's new judge just so the ever outraged could justify their outrage.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » why is it when something is deemed offensive these days people cry non stop.
McHardcore wrote: » Like how so many in this thread find the term "racist" offensive.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » not anymore. The term has been bandied about so much at so many people without a shred of proof that people are now feeling pity for those bandying it about. In fact those going around calling people racist without proof only serve to show how they have nothing else to back up their illogical notions and have to resort to those tactics and show themselves up.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Japan is not cosmopolitan for a main reason a difficult language to learn, same with Chinese. Plus there are not lot of countries who speak Japanese. Like English, French, German for example. Cameroon and countries similar will get cosmopolitan once the standard of living improves compared to Western Countries. Might take 200 or 300 years who knows. But eventually poorer parts of the world will close the gap. As they become more urbanised and technically advanced. I have no problem with 100,000 French, Spanish, German, Dutch, English, Scottish, Polish, Latvian, Swedish etc living in this country. As that is what the Irish people voted for in EU referendums. Makes me wonder what you are afraid of?
irishblessing wrote: » If I were in there shoes, I'd imagine I would go where I have the best possibility of me and my family surviving and thriving. Where maybe I know someone or a few people who can help. You wouldn't?
At the end of the day you want an all white Ireland because anything else scares you.
We all have more in common than not; we all want to live our one best, safest, happiest life. We're more alike than we are different.
... I can admit to the privileges I have had and not look down my nose at others for not being able to achieve the same when they're not even able to play the game let alone be born on 3rd base.
eleventh wrote: » If you're going by yourself, fine. If you're going with family, kids, or to start a family there, you are bringing kids to the situation, expecting them to go to school there, settle there and call it home. (People have explained this in detail earlier in the thread). It is unrealistic. It's an unfair burden to place on kids. If I had children I couldn't imagine bringing them to live in such a foreign culture no matter how much I might like the idea of living there, and expect them to go through all the inevitable difficulties around their difference, identity etc. (If you want to talk trauma, look into that). The kids won't blend in. It's a cruel and thoughtless thing to do. Media campaigns and virtue signalling won't change it, except on some surface level. I think they make things worse even, constantly drawing attention to it, using the 'r' word at every opportunity. When it comes down to it, people gravitate to and prefer people similar to themselves: marriage, close friendships, neighbours etc. What kind of Ireland do you want in terms of race/colour ? I'd agree with the sentiment, but we can't assume that our idea of right/wrong around how others should be treated should translate to the rest of people and society. People are very tribal. It's mainly in young people where we see the issues play out. Even without race, it's always this age-group where problems are most visible, things are worked out in gangs, street-fights etc. Race adds another layer, increasing social unrest, making things worse for everyone. There's a lot of money behind moving people to Ireland, as well as providing for them when they get here. Would it not be better spent building homes for people in their own country? It would cost a lot less than ends up being spent on migration, education, etc etc. If people holding the purse strings really wanted to help they'd be doing it in a way that helps people stay in their homeland; not to have to uproot from their culture, family, community.
Wibbs wrote: » That's incredibly unlikely ever to happen, though you do hear this often enough. Outside of colonies like the US, Canada and others in the new world I can't think of one White multicultural nation where the natives are a minority. *edit* it may happen with urban centres like we see the trend with London, as diversity is almost entirely urban in nature.
zimmermania wrote: » What a great idea,lets lobby all those countries where irish ppl live and urge them to repatriate all the irish and keep their countries for natives.
eleventh wrote: » I can't see how it won't happen with current trends. We are below replacement rate and non-Europeans pouring in at an alarming rate considering their much higher reproduction and with extended families having rights to join them. There's a never-ending stream of them and no signs of it slowing, whether in recession or not. We're a tiny island. We'll be overwhelmed within the next couple of decades at current rates, even faster than UK. It's very sad, but that's the direction it's going.
Irish could be minority ethnic group here by 2050 - professor Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 00:00 John Downes Ireland's native population could be in a minority by the middle of this century, the president of Dublin City University (DCU) will claim today. But large-scale immigration is still essential if we are to remain prosperous, Prof Ferdinand von Prondzynski will say. Unpublished UK-based research, which he does not identify, has indicated that by 2050, Ireland's population will consist of a multicultural and multiethnic mix in which the indigenous Irish will form a minority.
eleventh wrote: » If the Irish diaspora were incentivised to return, it would make a lot more sense than people with no connection to here coming here to live in large numbers.
Deleted User wrote: » ...and normal migration (non-EU skilled labor or EU citizens) can easily add to the top if needed. .
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