irishblessing wrote: » Maybe if more people passed the peace pipe we'd all get along better.
newhouse87 wrote: » its ok i answered for you beacuse you had hit a deadend and had no way out.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Japan is not cosmopolitan for a main reason a difficult language to learn, same with Chinese. Plus there are not lot of countries who speak Japanese. Like English, French, German for example. Cameroon and countries similar will get cosmopolitan once the standard of living improves compared to Western Countries. Might take 200 or 300 years who knows. But eventually poorer parts of the world will close the gap. As they become more urbanised and technically advanced. I have no problem with 100,000 French, Spanish, German, Dutch, English, Scottish, Polish, Latvian, Swedish etc living in this country. As that is what the Irish people voted for in EU referendums. Makes me wonder what you are afraid of?
irishblessing wrote: » Well that's true, and yes you did reduce it.
Disagreeing is not the same as avoiding or denying. Sorry.
What is validating this truth for you? Have you studied societies all around the world and been able to conclude that this is actually true? Can you please explain how you have reached this conclusion?
I actually have a close friend I met at work during my years in Uni and she is half Saudi. Her father and that side of the family are Saudi. From personal friendship with her, I am under the impression that most women in Saudi Arabia do not feel like they are living their best, safest, happiest life.
Go back again even further, too though. Think why North America is populated at all and the Siberian land bridge that once existed, and the most likely explanation of following animal herds.
But also as you mention, the post colonial effects are real and should not be dismissed just because you (the proverbial you, anyone) are uncomfortable with that reality and the feelings that may come from that.
Deleted User wrote: » So.. you're now making a case for white privilege then? Are you sure you're on the right thread? the BLM thread is ----> that way.
As for self-awareness, remember what I said about equality? You should consider applying the standards you're throwing at others to yourself.
As I said in the original piece, education in non-western countries tends to be below the standard of European education for all manner of reasons. You don't need to show that your education is better... because most people will assume it is.
Ahh I understand now. This is about virtue signalling. Nah. I have no interest in engaging in such behavior.
I listed four/five main areas, with paragraphs explaining the reasoning behind those areas... and you found yourself incapable of reading it.
"I'd say that culture (theirs and the host nation), lack of education/skills, language acquisition and the desire to come together as ethnic group (community focus). And seriously poor planning on the behalf of the migrants themselves." First line of that post... haha.. you didn't even "attempt" to read it, and just posted up an immediate deflection. Good lord.
You've shown that you're unwilling to argue in good faith.
irishblessing wrote: » Ah lads, I can't keep this up all morning. I'm going to draw a line under it here for now, always a pleasure. Wibbs, I will say it's your posts I find most worthwhile and interesting to debate (not sarcasm). Will probably check in later, but now family duty calls.
newhouse87 wrote: » for any white supremacists reading at least they know they can to nigeria and spout all the hate they want and not be racist, great logic.
irishblessing wrote: » Really quick: They should know they are prejudiced, biased, hateful, and a disgrace. Those white supremacists in America for example though, in light of their history and systems of power, are racists in addition. Enjoy your day gents.
irishblessing wrote: » So is this the part of the reasoned discussion in which you crave where I then say the far-right thread is over there? <
Point not clear, do explain.
I honestly can't see a point here tying in to the discussion.
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Mules wrote: » This is an Irish forum, you sound ridiculous talking about white males, like someone in an American university sociology department.
irishblessing wrote: » Was that you in the far right protests here? I am getting that vibe.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Is Japan not being cosmopolitan a negative thing in your view? If so, why? And if not, why do you want Ireland to be seen as cosmopolitan?
irishblessing wrote: » Will probably check in later, but now family duty calls.
irishblessing wrote: » At the end of the day you want an all white Ireland because anything else scares you.
Deleted User wrote: » I dunno about that. How are the wealthier managing to flee from it?
There are very few examples of self-sufficient communities where the populace can choose who gets to live, or "exist" there.
I'm not sure about that.
Few will want to sacrifice themselves on the altar of multiculturalism, and racism.
irishblessing wrote: » Racism and bias would be very difficult to overcome. Many (most) are probably living with untreated trauma, as well. A lack of generational wealth. Are your examples in any particular order of importance, out of curiosity? There is no such thing as reverse racism from a black person in a white dominant society. Racism is about who holds the positions of power and control. I think you mean prejudice or bias or perhaps discrimination.
ThunbergsAreGo wrote: » Why does multi cultural mean non white to you (and many of our fantastic NGOs, and marketeers) ?
newhouse87 wrote: » we are geting somewhere at least now you can see racism goes both ways just depends where in the globe a person is whether it is racism or reverse racism, have a good day too.
Mules wrote: » Also, not agreeing with multiculturalism isn't the same this as being anti immigrant. I'm happy with immigration by people who pay enough taxes to more than cover the costs of what they use in public services. I'm not bothered about where these people come from. It makes no sense to me to allow immigration by people who don't add to the country's finances. The argument is that without foreign workers who will work for low pay and bad conditions some businesses will have to raise wages. So what, they don't have a god given right to cheap workers.
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Good grief, it's amazing the complete crap people can believe. If a gang of black people beat up a white person in Ireland, and did so because that person was white, is this, in your view, not a racist act?
CtevenSrowder wrote: » Imagine being of the belief that it isn't racist for a white European and his mates to head of to Africa and beat up a few black people because they are black and vice versa. Ultra progressivism is just the gift that keeps on giving!
irishblessing wrote: » It is amazing indeed. People are so familiar with the term racist, that they use it synonymously with the words prejudice or racial prejudice, bias, stereotyping, bigotry, etc. However, it's not. White people can indeed face stereotypical assumptions based on their skin colour and hence encounter racial prejudice. But this cannot be called racism in western societies, because of the inherent systemic imbalance of power between those with lighter skin colour and people of colour. Racial prejudice can affect people on an individual level, but it would not have the same effect on a larger social and cultural level because it is only when stereotypes are bolstered by power, such as through a eurocentric model of thinking, that it creates systemic and structural racism and oppression that people of colour have encountered throughout history. Some of you need to spend some time educating yourselves in this matter and it shows.
TomTomTim wrote: » If Ireland becomes majority non native,
TomTomTim wrote: » Your opinions are nonsense, but I'll humor you. When do we get to a stage then when minorities can be racist? If Ireland becomes majority non native, and many of them are in power, can they then be racist? If you're consistent the answer will be yes, and you may even reply as such in the now, but I'd guess that when it actually happens that won't be your opinion. The only relevant example I can think of in the now is South Africa. Are South African blacks who hate the white minority racist?
Hamachi wrote: » Given your obvious disdain for ‘white males’, I sincerely hope you do not have a son(s). If yes, the hope is that you at least have the intelligence to keep your ideological leanings distinct from your parenting.
irishblessing wrote: » I bet your head would explode if I told you I have a son who supports feminism!
Rodney Bathgate wrote: » Of course not. It has been drilled into this person that white people cannot be the victims of racism.
irishblessing wrote: » Omg. So humour me by reading and considering what I've actually said. You do actually need to engage with me properly if you're going to "humour me." But I doubt that's what you really mean. You don't want to really hear it out, read the article I posted, or do any research yourself first to properly consider it. you just want to attack and stay firm in your own biases. Waste of my time.Minorities cannot be racist. You clearly haven't spent 5 seconds to inform yourself of the definition of racism. And here is the crux of the fear of many of you on this thread: what if minorities become a majority into power and then we white people are treated like them! Lol!!
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