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piplip87

Looking at the bright side here division 3 is an opportunity start afresh, Mickey and selectors should be trying to get the best player in each position in the county on this panel. Currently for one reason or another it is not happening.

We should be able to go on a run in the league next year and we should be aiming to win the B championship. League and B championship double should be the aim. Who knows if work and study from home stays it could help get a few lads into the panel who otherwise couldn't commit

rrs

It happened a few years ago with Derry. Callum Brown was named in a McKenna Cup Squad, but then they had to ommit him from the panel.

Cavan should have been in the know.

Thunderbirds

Cavan_King wrote: »

How is he too young? He’s past being a minor sure. Once he is 18 or turns 18 this year, he’s a senior player.

A senior club player but not intercounty.

rrs

There is a rule about when you turn 18 to play County Senior, which was brought in when they reformed Minor to U17. McGovern only turned 18 in August.

Cavan_King

Thunderbirds wrote: »

McGovern. Too young. Our full time secretary didn't realise it.

How is he too young? He’s past being a minor sure. Once he is 18 or turns 18 this year, he’s a senior player.

tanko

baconsarnie wrote: »

I am a huge Niall Murray fan, but starting him today giving his lack of game time in a must win game was madness.

Galligan did well when he came on, good point in why he wasn’t earlier. For a do or die match, we were completely undercooked. Would’ve thought we would come out all guns blazing. Where was the fire in the belly?

Despite our lack of shape, discipline and basic errors, the game was there to be won. We got within a score and at no point did anyone seem to rally the troops!!!

Also, how anyone thinks Faulkner was fit today (or last week). He’s a warrior but he was so far off the pace.

Lots of Cavan players looked like they had lead in their boots, the only thing i can think of is that they had a tough weeks training in preparation for the Monaghan game, is that a possibility.
Cavan didn't play as a team today, they seemed to run around like headless chickens all doing their own thing.
Team selection and substitutions were baffling also.

Thunderbirds

Gaafan21 wrote: »

Illegal? Who? Just wondering.

McGovern. Too young. Our full time secretary didn't realise it.

Gaafan21

Thunderbirds wrote: »

Cavan played an illegal player last week and didn't realise.

Illegal? Who? Just wondering.

Thunderbirds

Cavan played an illegal player last week and didn't realise.

baconsarnie

rrs wrote: »

I was trying to remember when Niall Murray last played a game. I think it was the Tyrone game in the McKenna Cup? He missed all club championship and league earlier in year.
It was asking a lot of him..

There's probaly a few who should be in, that can't or won't commit from Kingscourt, Ramor, and Crosserlough.

I am a huge Niall Murray fan, but starting him today giving his lack of game time in a must win game was madness.

Galligan did well when he came on, good point in why he wasn’t earlier. For a do or die match, we were completely undercooked. Would’ve thought we would come out all guns blazing. Where was the fire in the belly?

Despite our lack of shape, discipline and basic errors, the game was there to be won. We got within a score and at no point did anyone seem to rally the troops!!!

Also, how anyone thinks Faulkner was fit today (or last week). He’s a warrior but he was so far off the pace.

rrs

I was trying to remember when Niall Murray last played a game. I think it was the Tyrone game in the McKenna Cup? He missed all club championship and league earlier in year.
It was asking a lot of him..

There's probaly a few who should be in, that can't or won't commit from Kingscourt, Ramor, and Crosserlough.

Cavan_King

It’s a sickening loss today. I'm as disappointed as anyone and, while I'm not one for changing the manager at a whim, serious questions have to be asked of the setup and tactics today.
Killian Brady struggled at full back last week and the backline as a whole was too loose so why was nothing changed this week?
Is there that little trust in the remainder of the panel that a clearly unfit Niall Murray was started? Cruel then to hook a great servant of Cavan football.
I actually thought Conroy, the frees aside, was one of the better players in the first half, kicking a good score from play, so I am unsure why he was taken off. We could have done with him late on as he can kick long range scores.
Why were we sending on 18 year old Oisin Brady when the game was in the melting pot at the end? A big ask of a young lad.
Thomas Galligan made a huge difference - why didn't he start or why wasn't he on earlier?
Like I said, those are just queries in terms of personnel. There could be serious questions about tactics too.

The players do also need to stand up because over the years we have lost games we should have won (Derry in 16, Tipp in 17 for example) but I certainly think they shouldn’t go from competing in Division 1 to looking as lacking as today,

rrs

Those U21 teams that won 4 U21 titles, were based on defensive football. Realistically Peter Reilly when he came in should have been more expansive as 2 titles were won with a defensive structure.
Then people were expecting attacking football at Senior. Cavan in 2016 Division 2 played excellent football. Gearoid McKiernan was on the 40, Johnston and Givney combining inside. Corr and Buchanan midfield . That was a strong panel that year, Keating and Jack Brady coming off the bench.

Mattie McGleenan took over the following year and a turnover. Givney etc gone. Been losing players every year

Cavan_King

piplip87 wrote: »

Hiw could they continue in all fairness. The Cavan fans had knives in both of them over the style of play. In fairness the style was pure ****e but we welcomed Dublin and Kerry to Brefini thanks to the work they did. Now it's back in Division 3.

What the hell happened the under 21 lads from a few years ago. Jaysus I honestly thought we would be knocking on the door for Ulsters and even possibly get a team together to mount challenges against the top teams.

Jaysus this is ****ing disappointing to say the least.

Terry had just got us promotion to Division 1. I was very surprised he left when he did. In 2016 the loss to Derry in the qualifiers was a poor result but we had given Armagh a hiding and drew with Tyrone in an Ulster semi final before going to a replay.

We also had our best players playing and were one of the top scoring teams in the League.

McGleenan needed to go alright but, looking at results since, perhaps he wasn’t doing as bad as we thought.

cavan4sam

Same as it ever was its the hope that kills us!!!

piplip87

Cavan_King wrote: »

Terry walked away himself. He wasn’t “sacked”. The We Are Cavan lads mentioned a heave by some players at the time on a podcast a while back which saw him go.

McGleenan stepped away himself too over some disagreement. Can’t remember exactly what it was.

Hiw could they continue in all fairness. The Cavan fans had knives in both of them over the style of play. In fairness the style was pure ****e but we welcomed Dublin and Kerry to Brefini thanks to the work they did. Now it's back in Division 3.

What the hell happened the under 21 lads from a few years ago. Jaysus I honestly thought we would be knocking on the door for Ulsters and even possibly get a team together to mount challenges against the top teams.

Jaysus this is ****ing disappointing to say the least.

Cavan_King

On a side note, Seanie Johnston named Cuchulainns manager with Mickey Lyng in back room team.

Gaafan21

Yevon wrote: »

Very poor from Cavan. Very little by way of cohesive play going forward. Defensively we left massive gaps for Roscommon compared to the pressure they were able to exert on us going forward.

Management have to take responsibility, this team do not look well coached. Selection of the starting team was questionable. They look completely devoid of confidence.

Agree completely, selection baffled me. No harm to Niall Murray but to start him this weekend with little or no football all year was criminal. Mickey Graham set the tone last week after the defeat to Kildare. To go and give an interview saying that the season probably shouldn't be continued showed his lack of faith in his team. In saying that Roscommon played with a second string team and we played our full team. Enda Smith was dominant throughout.

rrs

Cavan had talks with Anthony Cunnigham after McGleenan left, but he ruled it out, and later took Roscommon job. He probaly knew there was better calibre player with Roscommon. He's steadied the ship with Roscommon. Their conditioning has come on a lot compared to when McStay was there, and bit more solid in defence.

Cavan not really going anywhere. 2 relegations, questionable fitness levels, and tactics. Players coming back and going.

blowitupref

cavan4sam wrote: »

No way are Roscommon missing any more than 3 players... We are a Div 3 team going by what I'm seeing today

They were missing 8 starters from the win over Armagh last week. 5 of the first choice defenders out, a midfielder and two forwards.

I'm really shocked that Cavan have allowed themselves to drop back down to Div 3.

Hammar

Yevon wrote: »

I think we should not get too carried away. Yes, today was a blow. The performance wasn't good. There are issues there. But the last thing we want to do is create that poisonous atmosphere around the team that existed 10-12 years ago.

What we don't need next year is more lads leaving the panel and compounding the problem. We need to keep everyone there for the moment and we need to get back McVeety and Moynagh if they return to Ireland. If the management can reflect on the performances of the team this year and work to solve the major problems, maybe bring in some new blood to the backroom team, I think we can bounce straight back. The response to this relegation and the relegation to the Tier 2 championship will set the course for this generation of players.

You make a great point about keeping everyone together,but I fear many of the squad won't be interested in playing in the second tier championship next year...

cavan4sam

rrs wrote: »

I wouldn't even be confident they will get out of Division 3 next. Derry, Fermangh, Longford and Tipperary will all give Cavan a good rattle on that showing.

Getting out of div 3???
On that performance we'll be lucky to stay in it
I think a heavy defeat next week and mickeys time is up
Killiian Clarke offers nothing anymore
Gearoid on the edge of the square or in the stand
Very despondent after today
**** 2020

baconsarnie

piplip87 wrote: »

Absolutely shocking stuff for the past couple of weeks not forgetting Armaagh back pre COVID. Could be worse we could have had to stand through it in person. Mattie and Terry got sacked for less.

That’s the only consolation that I didn’t have to pay in to see yawn performance.

Graham will probably get next year based on the disruptions this year, but that’s down from division one to three in his watch. I have it as 6 wins over league and championship in two years. Not good enough.

Given that our run at one stage was maulings from Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Tyrone, Armagh and being about 7 down at half time to Westmeath, I thought the lads had done brilliantly to claw themselves back. Leaving Brewster back in Fermanagh I thought we would beat Clare and go up. We were complexly clueless that day, showing no tactical acumen tearing into Clare against a gale force wind in the first half and hoping for a second half blue wave to get us over the line (and we almost did).

Take the awful wides and poor handling today and we could have won. But we didn’t and next year is going to be hard to motivate lads for division 3 and yet another load of nonsense about us “rebuilding”.

Longer term if Mickey Graham is the man for the job, he’s going to have to get us to defend. Some of our defensive set ups this year are as poor as under McGleenan. Even Fermanagh walked through us.

Right, I’m off to walk the dog. That “performance” would drive you to the drink!

Hammar

benjy1000 wrote: »

Absolute dirt.

Consecutive relegations is hard to take but fully deserved.

Covid? As far as I can see that was a full strength Cavan team.
The problem is and has been with Cavan for years is that bar a couple of players you could pick any 12 players from the 40 man panel for any game and there would be no difference in quality. So many average players constantly in & out of the team and it makes no difference.

People always on about whose not in the panel but there’s just a severe dearth of quality in the county, & even when these lads come back from their hiatus as was the case today it makes no difference to the quality.

Cavan will always be willing & able to huff & puff but will never blow a house down.

There was also no gameplay, no defensive structure, no attacking plan and terrible fitness levels. That's on the management team. We don't have the best group of players in the country,we are nowhere close, but the players we have are better than what was shown today.

rrs

I wouldn't even be confident they will get out of Division 3 next. Derry, Fermangh, Longford and Tipperary will all give Cavan a good rattle on that showing.

benjy1000

Absolute dirt.

Consecutive relegations is hard to take but fully deserved.

Covid? As far as I can see that was a full strength Cavan team.
The problem is and has been with Cavan for years is that bar a couple of players you could pick any 12 players from the 40 man panel for any game and there would be no difference in quality. So many average players constantly in & out of the team and it makes no difference.

People always on about whose not in the panel but there’s just a severe dearth of quality in the county, & even when these lads come back from their hiatus as was the case today it makes no difference to the quality.

Cavan will always be willing & able to huff & puff but will never blow a house down.

Cavan_King

piplip87 wrote: »

Absolutely shocking stuff for the past couple of weeks not forgetting Armaagh back pre COVID. Could be worse we could have had to stand through it in person. Mattie and Terry got sacked for less.

Terry walked away himself. He wasn’t “sacked”. The We Are Cavan lads mentioned a heave by some players at the time on a podcast a while back which saw him go.

McGleenan stepped away himself too over some disagreement. Can’t remember exactly what it was.

piplip87

Absolutely shocking stuff for the past couple of weeks not forgetting Armaagh back pre COVID. Could be worse we could have had to stand through it in person. Mattie and Terry got sacked for less.

rrs

I was at the Clare game before Covid and it was really poor. A burst in the second half for 10 minutes, but mostly flat. The Westmeath game, was a good comeback but Westmeath threw it away. The Fermanagh game, Cavan probaly controlled it. Fermangh wasteful. Wasn't t at the at the Laois game. Armagh won convincly in first game

Ultimately not good enough.

baconsarnie

Yevon wrote: »

Very poor from Cavan. Very little by way of cohesive play going forward. Defensively we left massive gaps for Roscommon compared to the pressure they were able to exert on us going forward.

Management have to take responsibility, this team do not look well coached. Selection of the starting team was questionable. They look completely devoid of confidence.

It was dreadful and going back to pre Covid we were cut open down the middle by every team we played. Despite everything, we have good enough players to stay in Division 2 but we got what we deserved.