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Issue with Manger

Ryzken

How's it going.

Last wednesday i had a bit of a issue with my manager, I had being given some tasks too finish before i finished for the day, Now i got most of those done and forgot too do 2 things before i went home but the supervisor was happy enough with what i got done in that day, Then the manager rings me half an hour later saying how he's disappointed and not happy with that i didn't finish the last 2 things that i was told to do, He told me not too come in for the next 2 days as of it till he's back in saturday, So i have missed yesterday and today over something so silly, I went back down and asked one of the supervisors too call him so i could talk too him and he told them he has no interest in coming out too talk too. What should i do

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KyussB

The OP has already suffered reputational damage through being fired, even random strangers like yourself who know little-to-nothing about the situation are making disparagements - so will other employers.

The labour court provides an avenue for attempting to undo the damage already done to the OP's reputation.

Mrs OBumble

KyussB wrote: »

We already dealt with that earlier - even without it being binding, it may still be worth the OP's time - and may not have much or any cost associated with it.

If the OP is going to be unemployed due to his employer stiffing him - then he may have plenty of time to spend, seeking justice and potentially getting a decent payout - and if not, getting to rightfully publicly/vocally harm the reputation of his employer.

Failing probation because you have demonstrated that you are unable to follow basic instructions is not being stiffed.

The OP may be able to take legal action (if s/he can afford the lawyer) if s/he lives in Dublin or maybe Cork. But anywhere smaller, the reputational damage to the employee will well outweight any payment.

[Deleted User]

Ryzken wrote: »

How's it going.

Last wednesday i had a bit of a issue with my manager, I had being given some tasks too finish before i finished for the day, Now i got most of those done and forgot too do 2 things before i went home but the supervisor was happy enough with what i got done in that day.

Thats kind of an odd way to phrase it. Did you not remember the other two tasks the manager had assigned you when you were running what you had done that day by the supervisor?

[Deleted User]

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Seems an over the top reaction If there has been no issues up until now.

Good question, which I can't see if anyone else has asked... have there been any other issues before now or was this the first time there was any issue?

Saying the forgotten tasks is "silly" goes a lot towards your attitude towards your work. If I were your manager I would not be impressed by it.

As for those who say whats the big deal - we don't know if it was. Maybe someone else was waiting for that pallet to be unpacked or the other one moved, so they could do their job. A knock on effect.

Your boss sounds like he lost patience with a lacksidasical employee. Lesson learned for your next role.

OMM 0000

KyussB wrote: »

We already dealt with that earlier - even without it being binding, it may still be worth the OP's time - and may not have much or any cost associated with it.

If the OP is going to be unemployed due to his employer stiffing him - then he may have plenty of time to spend, seeking justice and potentially getting a decent payout - and if not, getting to rightfully publicly/vocally harm the reputation of his employer.

I don't agree with your idea, but anyway, the OP can think about it.

KyussB

We already dealt with that earlier - even without it being binding, it may still be worth the OP's time - and may not have much or any cost associated with it.

If the OP is going to be unemployed due to his employer stiffing him - then he may have plenty of time to spend, seeking justice and potentially getting a decent payout - and if not, getting to rightfully publicly/vocally harm the reputation of his employer.

OMM 0000

KyussB wrote: »

Justice isn't for executives only. Workers at all levels have had successful cases using that legislation:
https://www.legal-island.ie/articles/ire/features/hr/2016/nov/probation-unfair-dismissal-industrial-relations-act-1969/
https://employmentrightsireland.com/unfair-dismissal-during-the-probationary-period/

Useful doc, here:
https://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/publications_forms/labour_court_user_guide.pdf

Did you read these though?

They agree with what I said:

the Labour Court’s recommendation is not legally enforceable unless both parties have agreed prior to the hearing to be bound by the outcome.

Why would any employer agree to be bound by the outcome?

KyussB

Justice isn't for executives only. Workers at all levels have had successful cases using that legislation:
https://www.legal-island.ie/articles/ire/features/hr/2016/nov/probation-unfair-dismissal-industrial-relations-act-1969/
https://employmentrightsireland.com/unfair-dismissal-during-the-probationary-period/

Useful doc, here:
https://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/publications_forms/labour_court_user_guide.pdf

Does not look to require expensive legal representation. Best research it well, though - and speak to a trade union body, who would have experience and can likely offer free advice.

OMM 0000

KyussB wrote: »

Seems to me like the OP has a good chance of securing a ruling in his favour - and if a business ignores that, can then get the ruling published widely in newspapers, and forever have that associated with the companies name - something which can cost a business a lot of money and lost business opportunity, through reputational damage.

A lot of businesses choose to settle in such circumstances as well, rather than suffer the reputational damage.

It's inferior to having proper rights against unfair dismissal - but it's well worth researching and seeking professional advice on, and seriously considering undertaking.

I'd agree with you if he was a high paid executive but he's a part-time forklift driver (or similar). The expense of getting a solicitor likely would't be worth it.

[Deleted User]

KyussB wrote: »

Seems to me like the OP has a good chance of securing a ruling in his favour - and if a business ignores that, can then get the ruling published widely in newspapers, and forever have that associated with the companies name - something which can cost a business a lot of money and lost business opportunity, through reputational damage.

A lot of businesses choose to settle in such circumstances as well, rather than suffer the reputational damage.

It's inferior to having proper rights against unfair dismissal - but it's well worth researching and seeking professional advice on, and seriously considering undertaking.

How much reputation damage do unfavourable rulings really do to the employer? I would imagine that it is hard to quantify loss in monitory terms so I can’t understand how you are sure that they would lose a lot of money. By publishing it, would there also be a risk to the op’s reputation?

Personally I think dismissal was a harsh punishment for forgetting to do the tasks, but only if this was a one off. As another poster said, we may only be getting the version that shows the op in the best light.

KyussB

OMM 0000 wrote: »

He's been in the company less than a year, so his only recourse is the Industrial Relations Act, and the employer can just ignore the ruling. This is all in the link you provided.

Seems to me like the OP has a good chance of securing a ruling in his favour - and if a business ignores that, can then get the ruling published widely in newspapers, and forever have that associated with the companies name - something which can cost a business a lot of money and lost business opportunity, through reputational damage.

A lot of businesses choose to settle in such circumstances as well, rather than suffer the reputational damage.

It's inferior to having proper rights against unfair dismissal - but it's well worth researching and seeking professional advice on, and seriously considering undertaking.

OMM 0000

Strumms wrote: »

Learn from it too, in a busy work environment maybe in future, jot down tasks you are supposed to do in your phone by photographing the task assignment schedule / sheet , or noting it on piece of paper.

This really is the lesson learned here.

You can't change your manager, but you can change yourself.

If you are forgetful, just make a list of tasks and tick them off one by one.

Strumms

At the end of the day OP, you dodged a bullet most likely...you were in the wrong but the company have handled it poorly.

Learn from it too, in a busy work environment maybe in future, jot down tasks you are supposed to do in your phone by photographing the task assignment schedule / sheet , or noting it on piece of paper.

OMM 0000

KyussB wrote: »

OP, unfair dismissal isn't based solely on being there for 1 year or more - sounds like your manager didn't follow proper procedure, and it may be worth your while seeking out professional advice about this, after reading up on it more - if it's contract based, worth going over the terms etc..
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/dismissal/unfair_dismissal.html

Regardless of the legalities, your manager treated you like dogshit, there - worth putting in the research and becoming as knowledgeable as you can about your rights (if contracting, may assist you in improving/adding terms in work contracts you agree, too).

He's been in the company less than a year, so his only recourse is the Industrial Relations Act, and the employer can just ignore the ruling. This is all in the link you provided.

NewMan1982

Seems an over the top reaction If there has been no issues up until now.

KyussB

OP, unfair dismissal isn't based solely on being there for 1 year or more - sounds like your manager didn't follow proper procedure, and it may be worth your while seeking out professional advice about this, after reading up on it more - if it's contract based, worth going over the terms etc..
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/dismissal/unfair_dismissal.html

Regardless of the legalities, your manager treated you like dogshit, there - worth putting in the research and becoming as knowledgeable as you can about your rights (if contracting, may assist you in improving/adding terms in work contracts you agree, too).

Strumms

bucketybuck wrote: »

Strumms has a history of "management" always being the bad guy.

I’ve a history of calling it as I see it, based on what I’m told. I’ve been critical of both managers and employees in this forum depending on what we are told about the scenario. I try and form an opinion based in objectivity, evidence and fairness.

So my ‘history’ of ... “management always being the bad guy”... is untrue. This is a narrative that you are using to purposely mislead people. Covid or no covid you should find something more useful to do with your Saturday night, then try to mislead people, on the Internet.

Wompa1

Sound like you are better off out of there.

Tails142

screw em op, sounds like a dump

Ryzken

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Doesn't sound like they were 2 things that would have taken too long/been too much hassle. They're also not exactly complicated instructions. Sounds like you just didn't do them for whatever reason. Your manager seems fairly justified being pissed off.

Never once said it was too much hassle, It was simply forgetting about it till he phoned me as my supervisor had help her do other jobs before i was finished. I didn't go out of my way to purposely avoid doing it.

smellyoldboot

Ryzken wrote: »

It was forgetting too unwrap a pallet and move another pallet nothing else. I'm contracted for 20 hours but getting 39-41

Doesn't sound like they were 2 things that would have taken too long/been too much hassle. They're also not exactly complicated instructions. Sounds like you just didn't do them for whatever reason. Your manager seems fairly justified being pissed off.

Ryzken

Dav010 wrote: »

Do you mind me asking how long you were working there?

4 months

[Deleted User]

Ryzken wrote: »

Sorry forgot too update you guys, I got sacked over it all.. Won't be getting paid for both days,

Also i went back down wednesday too try resolve the issue by finishing them off, And he told me to go home as i was finished that day,

Went in this morning there was one of the supervisors who only came into work for a hour to finish off some paperwork and fired me infront of the supervisor

Do you mind me asking how long you were working there?

Ryzken

Sorry forgot too update you guys, I got sacked over it all.. Won't be getting paid for both days,

Also i went back down wednesday too try resolve the issue by finishing them off, And he told me to go home as i was finished that day,

Went in this morning there was one of the supervisors who only came into work for a hour to finish off some paperwork and fired me infront of the supervisor

[Deleted User]

Midnight_EG wrote: »

I know the OP, he got the sack unfortunately

Wow.

Midnight_EG

I know the OP, he got the sack unfortunately

OMM 0000

PCeeeee wrote: »

I assure you that neither of those things are true and also that I am finished engaging with you.

Focus on helping the OP.

OK. Try to understand that your previous posts made it seem otherwise.

OMM 000 wrote:

It sounds like you're going to be fired

PCeeeee wrote:

This isn't America

OMM 000 wrote:

You can be fired for incompetence

PCeeeee wrote:

Its very unlikely the OP can be legally 'fired'

When your manager rings you outside of work hours to tell you to not come back into work until he is back in the office in three days, that's almost certainly a serious disciplinary matter.

If the OP has been there less than a year, he can be fired on the spot.

Obviously I hope I am wrong and the OP can keep his job.

PCeeeee

OMM 0000 wrote: »

I'm not defending my advice, none of us know the complete story so my advice is speculative, I'm responding to you pretending you can't fire people in Ireland and not understanding how this forum works.

I assure you that neither of those things are true and also that I am finished engaging with you.

Focus on helping the OP.

Morgans

Dav010 wrote: »

I haven’t read anything to suggest the op will be fired. He may just get a bollocking and lose the OT because he isn’t reliable and doesn’t appreciate the importance of following the manager’s instruction.

If the instruction was life and death for the organisation, and somehow justifying a firing, relying on a casual contractor to carry it out might not be the smartest approach. You'll probably get a bollocking, and if worse so be it. You are stressing about performing your job well. Learn the lesson from this and keep that approach. It might be that it's not in this company but you'll do grand in different circumstances with that attitude.

OMM 0000

PCeeeee wrote: »

Lookit. I'm not going to engage in an off topic pissing contest with you. You gave your advice. I critiqued it and now you feel the need to defend it.

You're correct in saying we need the compete story. Unless there are circumstances not explained its very unlikely the OP can be legally 'fired'. That's my issue.

I'm not defending my advice, none of us know the complete story so my advice is speculative, I'm responding to you pretending you can't fire people in Ireland and not understanding how this forum works.