Hamsterchops wrote: » For far too long the IRA in one form or another has haunted this island like a virus or a cancer, by using terrorism and death as a way to achieve its goal of total and utter seperation from the neighboring island. The only way a "United Ireland" is ever going to happen is if more Nationalists vote to leave the Union with Britain, and currently s substantial amount of Northern Nationalists vote to maintain NI'i place within the United Kingdom. Hearts & minds up North may change post Brexit, specially if Scotland votes to leave the UK, but in the meantime, may I suggest that Republican posters on here stop hero worshipping the perpetrators of the past atrocities committed on this island by their comrades in the name of Ireland.. We would like a United Ireland yes, but by consensus and agreement, and not by hate and division.
smurgen wrote: » I'd be more worried about British far right operations in Ireland tbh What were so many of them toe rags doing in Dublin this week stoaking tensions?https://twitter.com/fionamitchell56/status/1319980309350436870?s=19
Hqrry113 wrote: » Listen, no one believes your pathetic anecdotal stories in your attempt to prove a point.
jm08 wrote: » Redmond would never have achieved Home Rule for island of Ireland because he didn't have the support of the Welsh MPs who had their own Home Rule agenda which would require the support if the Irish MPs in Westminster. Secondly, Redmond ignored Unionists and didn't even try to persuade them of the benefits of Home Rule.
DonegalBay wrote: » I am curious about this notion of selling home rule to Unionists. The idea of home rule had been floating about since 1886 so I think Unionists had a pretty good idea of what home rule entailed, and they had long since decided that anything that saw their power diminished in the name of democracy was not to their liking.
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downcow wrote: » Tell me I’m stupid but those pie charts say to me that not only do the majority of people in ni want to stay in the uk, but the majority of every age bracket also want to stay in UK. I have also had a few debates on here where I am continuously told that the nhs is in a mess and the Roi health system is much better. I was really baffled by this because all my friends in the south aspire to have a system like ours and a few of them use their northern connections to get their free meds etc. Seems you guys have been feeding me nonsense
markodaly wrote: » What is most surprising is that the younger vote as a whole want to stay in the Union. In other words, there isn't a hope in hell a UI will happen in the next few decades.
briany wrote: » It's not really surprising at all, though. Young people tend not to be as set in their ways as regards politics and the main factor for them would probably be more economic i.e. whatever situation helps them get on in life. Right now, that situation isn't so clear as Brexit could be a catastrophe, but Irish unification leads to feelings of uncertainty, so it makes sense to default to 'better the devil you know'. This could change depending on how things pan out. That's why, in my opinion, it was a risky move (to put it lightly) for the likes of the DUP to support Brexit in the first place. The existing status quo posed little threat to NI's place in the UK, but it's now looking like they could be cut off from the rest of the UK, economically. Or they could get their wish and be cut off from the rest of Ireland. That could be a pyrric victory, though, if and when Brexit turns out badly and NI becomes the poorest corner of a poor country. Then, young people could seriously change their minds re: the question of Irish unification.
BonnieSituation wrote: » I think you misunderstand the issue. What the HSE system lacks is "universal free at point of use" but that doesn't tell the full costs story either. But you're not one for "depth of knowledge" so why bother? What's it matter to you though? You aren't going to vote for a UI and in the event of a Border Poll you'll be spinning falsehoods anyway.
downcow wrote: » I was commenting on a poll someone else posted that showed that the majority of every age group living in this ‘failed statelet’ would prefer to continue living in it as opposed the the ‘highly successful’ Roi. And it seems the nhs is a big factor. Direct your anger at the person who posted the info, if you think it’s nonsense.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The NHS in Britain and in the north is asking the HSE for help at the minute. Must be in some tip top shape! https://www.thejournal.ie/senior-nhs-officials-contacted-hse-seeking-help-for-covid-19-tests-5207798-Sep2020/https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-critical-cases-from-ni-could-put-pressure-on-services-in-republic-1.4391125
jh79 wrote: » Their COVID rate is 3-4 times our thanks to the leadership up North so hardly a valid comparison.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I mentioned this before. I think it is shaping up to be fascinating. I always thought Michael Martin's divergence from republicanism to overt partitionism was a wrong note and wouldn't sit well with real FFers. I think he is in a grace period because he has attained the office of Taoiseach. It seems I may have been right, is this the kick back within FF beginning to emerge? A FF leader seeking a border poll, in government with a SF leader seeking the same?https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2020/10/28/news/fianna-fa-il-future-leadership-contender-jim-o-callaghan-says-get-ready-for-a-border-poll-2111778/content.html
downcow wrote: » Someone needs to tell those of all ages in ni because according to fitzs poll they think very differently. But sure you are probably right Francie. After all you would not be blinkered by prejudice ��
RobMc59 wrote: » It's a good job our resident disgruntled republicans haven't seen nicola sturgeon this morning,the love in with Scottish nationalists will be well and truly over as she was wearing a poppy broach..
FrancieBrady wrote: » Why? I never had a problem with respectful remembrance Rob. Only when people do it to taunt or triumphalise, is it a problem.
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