Dav010 wrote: » Forgetting to do what your manager asked you to do isn’t silly, having said that, if it was something minor, just hold your hand up, say it won’t happen again. If you are on a contract where hours aren’t guaranteed, it might be time to look for a new job.
Strumms wrote: » The professional thing to do was for him to speak to you during the following shift. Investigate what happened, why it happened, how to move forward... PIP, verbal warning, whatever... he’s obviously just another immature toy throwing moron of a boss. Employees make mistakes. If it’s a once off it’s a PIP or verbal, if it’s happening with a small bit of regularity and consistency then more formal procedures and possible sanctions need apply. Just saying ‘don’t come in’ ? I’d say a fella like that would have trouble managing his dinner.
Dav010 wrote: » Maybe the manager just thinks it isn’t worth the effort dealing with someone who forgets simple instructions and thinks it’s silly to be pulled up on it. Doesn’t make the guy a bad manager.
road_high wrote: » Nah. You engage with the person as an adult professional supposing it’s just sweeping the floors. He maybe annoyed the task wasn’t completed but talk to the person find out why and see how it can be resolved and avoided for the future. That manager is a childish idiot tbh
Dav010 wrote: » Sorry, you tell a guy to make sure he unpacks a palate and move another, then he fecks off home without doing it, nah, nothing you can do with that.
road_high wrote: » That’s a childish and petulant response. No you have a word with him- you speak to him. Disciplinary procedure if necessary. You don’t carry on like a child and ignore them. You establish the full facts- like why did he have to leave? Sick child or emergency? Then establish ground rules for future. If it’s repeated then it’s a big problem
Ryzken wrote: » How's it going. Last wednesday i had a bit of a issue with my manager, I had being given some tasks too finish before i finished for the day, Now i got most of those done and forgot too do 2 things before i went home but the supervisor was happy enough with what i got done in that day, Then the manager rings me half an hour later saying how he's disappointed and not happy with that i didn't finish the last 2 things that i was told to do, He told me not too come in for the next 2 days as of it till he's back in saturday, So i have missed yesterday and today over something so silly, I went back down and asked one of the supervisors too call him so i could talk too him and he told them he has no interest in coming out too talk too. What should i do
Strumms wrote: » You are right, it makes the manager a fûcking terrible manager He should have followed the legal steps in the company manual... Investigation, hearing, decision with hr advice, action.. If the manager doesn’t see it as ‘worth their while’ to do their job properly, how can they expect the employees to ? Managers need to set and lead by example.. not enough do but hey..
Dav010 wrote: » Why go to all that trouble? Op has a 20 hr contract, give him the 20 hrs, simple as that. Not much point in the manager doing anymore than that.
Strumms wrote: » Fine, then when the manager is up shît creek in a few weeks two staff sick, one on leave, asks the OP for a dig out, covering a shift, the OP is simply informing him that he as a prior engagement which he is not of the ability to get out of and regretfully cannot on this occasion help out,, giving no more info than that. Manglers not playing with a straight bat ? Give them the same back.
Dav010 wrote: » But why would a manager ever want to rely on someone who forgets a simple instruction? Better to get someone reliable, that’s what good managers do, employ reliable people.
Strumms wrote: » Because people make mistakes, people are human. If a situation evolves where mistakes are made with regularity , systematic oversights, then the manager needs to do their job, follow the formal processes, disciplinary processes. People forget things. If it’s happening regularly, then it’s a serious issue. You don’t overlook people doing OT because of it as your first call of action. That’s bone idle boneheaded lazy management.
Dav010 wrote: » Strumms, by your own admission, you have never held a management position. If you did, and you asked someone to make sure they did something before they left work and they didn’t, unless that person is important, it would be best to rely on someone else who can do the task. Otherwise, you are just wasting your time. The fact that the op thinks that it is silly to be making a fuss about this indicates that he is not the most reliable of employees. I appreciate that you are always on the side against management, but you know what, some things are just not worth the trouble. Why give OT to someone you can’t rely on?
Strumms wrote: » Because an employee makes an oversight that means they can’t be relied upon ? If xx premiership player missed a penalty in the last minute to claim a draw, does he deserved to be dropped? Removed of penalty duties ? Messi misses one today, is he all of a sudden, ‘unreliable’... no, hes human. You give feedback and get on with it.
Del2005 wrote: » The OP forgot a simple instruction, mistakes happen, but the manager has been completely unprofessional in their handling of the issue. The manager is not following any disciplinary procedure, who would rely on someone who can't handle their employees?
Dav010 wrote: » Strumms, by your own admission, you have never held a management position.
road_high wrote: » Manager here is in ropey ground- if there was an unauthorised dismissal case take well the first thing they’ll be looking at is whether he followed proper procedure. The worker being perceived as lazy or not responsible would be pretty irrelevant as there emotionally charged accusations rather than fact
Kevin Irving wrote: » Out of interest, do you? Strumms seems to be taking a fair a level headed approach. The world isn't as black and white as you make it seem - there could be a dozen reasons why the job wasn't completed, and we have nothing to suggest it's consistent behaviour from the OP. Anyway, what kind of rubbish manager doesn't have the wherewithal to coordinate with the rest of his management team to get the job done by other means?
Dav010 wrote: » There could be a dozen, but there was only one, the op forgot to do what he was instructed to do. Would a manager need to coordinate with the rest of management to ensure a pallet is unpacked?
Kevin Irving wrote: » It's not a big deal. Managing people is not black and white, and the manager is paid to sort things out when humans make honest mistakes. Calling the employee out of hours to cut their hours for something which could easily be sorted, is anger driven and incredibly poor management.
Ryzken wrote: » Last wednesday i had a bit of a issue with my manager, I had being given some tasks too finish before i finished for the day, Now i got most of those done and forgot too do 2 things before i went home but the supervisor was happy enough with what i got done in that day, Then the manager rings me half an hour later saying how he's disappointed and not happy with that i didn't finish the last 2 things that i was told to do, He told me not too come in for the next 2 days as of it till he's back in saturday, So i have missed yesterday and today over something so silly, I went back down and asked one of the supervisors too call him so i could talk too him and he told them he has no interest in coming out too talk too. What should i do
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