Hamsterchops wrote: » Another wannabe revolutionary nutter :rolleyes: Grow a pair, and learn that violent Irish Republicanism as practised by the PIRA gained noting but death and sorrow and division, they & their followers were scum of the highest order. Contrast their ideals with the late great John Hume and the SDLP, who strived for equal rights for Nationalists in NI without the need to blow people to bits.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Hume and Mallon were political failures until Hume (Mallon rejected the opportunity) took up Fr. Alex Reid's suggestion/invitation to begin talks with Adams.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Don't utter that name Mallon in the same breath as Hume. Failure is too kind a word.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The SDLP forced Hume to do a solo run on the Hume Adams Initiative. When the partitionists weep for the demise of the SDLP it never occurs to them that the people of the north didn't have their heads buried in the sand. They could see what was happening. They could see the cowardice and political protectionism that was going on. Mallon ended up a very bitter man.
Hqrry113 wrote: » If what you said is correct that the "PIRA" never achieved anything at the very least they saved the Irish some pride.......
Hamsterchops wrote: » Pride you say, where do you get this stuff from? The reality being that the Republican movement brought nothing but shame on this island and the Irish people. Shame not pride.
Hamsterchops wrote: » I'll tell you one thing for sure. Terrorism has not created a United Ireland, and how could it .... Blowing up and killing the very people you wish to unite with could only have one effect, and that was to delay any "Unification" by many decades. The Provisional IRA were the No 1 culprits. They brought nothing but sorrow and death to this island, and they were a disgrace. So worship your heroes if that's what you do, but don't expect the rest of us to honour the memory of Terrorism.
Hqrry113 wrote: » Yes the SDLP, otherwise known as a pack of cowards who would go into Westminster and beg for their rights and in the early 70s when ira members were dying trying to defend their communities from attack SDLP members would run down to the RUC station begging for help that never came.
downcow wrote: » Oh dear oh dear. In the 70s in my area the ira were systematically attacking every Protestant home and business simply because they didn’t want a Protestant about the place. You are so deluded
eire4 wrote: » I would suggest to you that you keep the use of "the rest of us" out of things. Your opinions are just that your opinions. You certainly do not speak for everyone else although there are no doubt others like yourself who like to push their own agenda and blame everything on the IRA because it is all about that agenda. I like many other Irish people are revolted and disgusted by terrorism. I like many other Irish people though recognise that the British security forces be they the various state or local forces were every bit the shameful disgusting terrorists themselves. There sadly is plenty of blame to go around for the war and the thousands who died.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No doubt another who thinks that everything would have been fine if only the IRA didn't exist. The IRA were only a symptom of a totally failed partition and the state that emerged.
Hamsterchops wrote: » For far too long the IRA in one form or another has haunted this island like a virus or a cancer, by using terrorism and death as a way to achieve its goal of total and utter seperation from the neighboring island. The only way a "United Ireland" is ever going to happen is if more Nationalists vote to leave the Union with Britain, and currently s substantial amount of Northern Nationalists vote to maintain NI'i place within the United Kingdom. Hearts & minds up North may change post Brexit, specially if Scotland votes to leave the UK, but in the meantime, may I suggest that Republican posters on here stop hero worshipping the perpetrators of the past atrocities committed on this island by their comrades in the name of Ireland.. We would like a United Ireland yes, but by consensus and agreement, and not by hate and division.
Dickie10 wrote: » Should we honour people like Micheal Collins or eamon de valera or arthur griffith for bringing violence to the streets of our towns and cities then? what was the difference between the IRA 1920 and 1980, did the IRA not kill innocent RIC men , British soldiers and ordinary citizens they thought had links to the British state, which was the proper legal state. Personally i believe their was very little if any need for 1916 madness. we would have had Home Rule by the early 1920s anyway without any bloodshed, we may even have brought Ulster with us so a United Ireland what did it matter if it were a part of the Commonwealth like Australia, what we have missed out on?
Hamsterchops wrote: » Just because I hate everything the PROVOs stood for
BonnieSituation wrote: » What area was that DC?
downcow wrote: » Basically every area with a republican majority who let the ira away with it. My community suffered a sectarian onslaught from the ira including bombs and murder,
Meanwhile, loyalist paramilitaries, who are supposedly meant to be on ceasefire, appear more inclined to carry out beatings than shootings against those who cross them within mainly working-class unionist/Protestant areas. This is child abuse of a kind comparable to the actions of paedophiles Liam Kennedy In 2013 the figures show that 34 assaults were carried out by those aligned to certain factions of the Ulster Volunteer Force and the Ulster Defence Association. In 2017 the number had increased to 57. Responding to the upsurge in paramilitary “punishment attacks”, which in the case of dissident republicans is a means of offering the nationalist community an “alternative quick-fix” form of policing to the PSNI, the chief constable said some parents were “acquiescing” in this system by bringing their children to appointments for beatings and shootings.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Asked this before and the question was ignored, can you link to the data on this? Or is this another one of your 'my friend told me' yarns? Regarding attacks on their own communities, it seems that is just as much a problem for Loyalism/Unionism right up to the present day:
BonnieSituation wrote: » Well, I wouldn't honour Dev in any fashion. There's a reason that he still remains a reviled figure. The Lynch of his day. Griffith, Collins, Grattan, Emmet, Redmond, Parnell, Markievicz and O'Connell on the other hand, venerate away. There's not enough named for them. --- What always angers me is the battle for Home Rule, that kills Griffith and Redmond (and his legacy) and sets off a civil war and a couple of rebellions that we still are dealing with today, is exactly what the Statelet got as a compromise in the end. It beggars belief that heinous scum like Craig got what they wanted after fighting against the very same thing for so long. And Partitionists wonder why we're a tad bitter about Partition?
downcow wrote: » I absolutely agree with your quote about loyalist punishment beating being child abuse. I felt for years that the ira bombs killing children should have been prosecuted as child abuse. The behaviour of both sides towards children have been horrendous. As for your request for evidence. I fear going down that rabbit hole with you again where you just keep refusing to accept evidence. Tell me what acceptable evidence would look like? So in my predominantly nationalist community. 97% of all attacks by the Ira were on PUL community. Every single business owned by PUL community member was attacked by Ira and only 3 nationalist owned (and these were because of unionist links ie a catholic owned pub that was the place Protestants drank.) Also endless Protestant homes attacked by Ira. What way would you like the evidence presented that is reasonably doable?
Brendan Bendar wrote: » Francie needs the data from Met Èireann to prove it is raining:D If you were foolish enough to go down that rabbit hole he’d have the keyboard worn off your device.:pac:
