JohnnyFlash wrote: » Cool story, Bro. That’s why the PIRA ended up killing more Catholics during the troubles than anyone else, and almost more than the rest of the scumbags up there put together.
Hqrry113 wrote: » The IRA were responsible for about 25-30 percent of civilian deaths during the troubles so I don't see how your point has any value or truth.
Creol1 wrote: » Perhaps not, but I'm sure the parents of the children killed in Warrington and the families of those killed in Kingsmills, Enniskillen and La Mon would.
a very cool kid wrote: » Exactly - so shouldn't the biggest party in Ireland be making an effort to get into government? SF didn't even put together a framework. Sat on their hands and complained. What way have SF been effective in opposition? There are no more houses built....
FrancieBrady wrote: » No, you are being politically naive. Effective opposition works. The only thing you are correct about is it is not the same as being in power.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Ya, right. Effective opposition leaving vital meetings less than half way through.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The bitterness in that post is high. You guys know it is not the old days anymore. Any government, whether it be FG FF or SF will not get away with tge excesses and abuses of the past. How many members are you down since the formation of the latest government now? How many cockups have been highlighted?
Deleted User wrote: » Nor should the supposed leader of the opposition be let get away with walking out of a meeting that was dealing with the greatest crisis of our generation.
Weepsie wrote: » You forgot slaughterings of the past there too
Hqrry113 wrote: » It seems in the early days of the troubles the PIRA were the only ones who would defend the people in the north, The battle of St Matthew's was the Provisional IRA's first major action during the Troubles, and a propaganda victory for the Irish nationalist organization. Violence erupted at St Matthew's Catholic church on the evening of 27 June. It began after a loyalist band and supporters marched through the area on their return from the main parade. Rival groups gathered, taunting led to stone-throwing, and eventually shots were fired.[13] As the situation worsened, Catholic residents feared that the gathering crowds of loyalists would attempt to invade the Short Strand and burn them from their homes. Local IRA members retrieved weapons from arms dumps. A young resident, Jim Gibney, recalled: "I saw neighbours, people I knew, coming down the street carrying rifles. I was just dumbstruck by this experience. I'd never seen such a thing before". The battle began at about 10pm and would continue for the next five hours. A small group of IRA members and members of the Citizens' Defence Committee[1][5] took up positions in the church grounds and in adjoining streets. The IRA members were armed with M1 carbines. Shortly after the shooting began, Stormont MP SDLP Paddy Kennedy went with Short Strand residents to the local RUC base and demanded protection for their homes, while the SDLP were running to the RUC on their knees begging for protection that never came, in the Markets IRA members assembled and prepared to reinforce the Short Strand should it be invaded. British soldiers eventually arrived in armoured vehicles and cordoned off the roads around the Short Strand, which denied the IRA "any hope of reinforcement". I doubt the people living in the area shaking in their homes terrified with their at the time regard the young men who died defending them as terrorists.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I just outlined a few instances above. You are either feigning naivety and pretending that governments don't respond to properly applied pressure. They have in those instances.
a very cool kid wrote: » You voted for them to bring change and they let you and all those voters down. No shame in admitting it as a first time SF voter. Don't be the butcher's boy all your life
FrancieBrady wrote: » They forced FG and FF to merge - the final bastion of the power swap. Check the forum, I siad it at the time that that was one of the best outcomes of the election for me. Change was never going to happen overnight. I don't care anymore which of them decline as long as one of them does. And it looks so far it is FF. Bring it on, the power swap is over.
a very cool kid wrote: » You think they've merged? Is that why Leo's boys are trying to undermine Martin at every turn, someone should have told him they were a merged entity..
Neither are going to decline out of existence, SF are blowing their chance I'm afraid. The party that only ran 39 candidates was never going to bring change. They've taken your vote and used it as a ticket to the trough. You're right though that change takes time but you have to driving the bus to bring it in a different direction. They've let you down, no other way about it
dundalkfc10 wrote: » FF and FG are all too happy to see the poor cervical check scandal ladies go through hell to get justice even after admitting the state failed them. Scumbags
FrancieBrady wrote: » Does the IMC finding not confirm that thy have gone away. They were not involved as an organisation.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Winner takes all. Leo is no fool whatever else he might be. I voted knowing SF would mount a challenge. They did. Neither FG nor FF could set it up to suit themselves, they had to do what they have never done before coalesce/merge call it what you want, after having to have a C&S arrangement in the previous government. Your nonsense about 'no change' is just that - nonsense. Politics is radically changed in this country, seen in the inordinate amount of time it took to even form a government and the chaos there has been since.
imme wrote: » So has the IRA moved from an organisation that existed challenging states: murder intimidation, robbery and terror in the North and South; murder and terror in Britain to a gangster mafia group.
In that report, a number of definitive statements were made about the IRA including that its structures remained “in a much reduced form”, that it is not actively recruiting and that its leadership is committed to achieving a united Ireland through peaceful means.
a very cool kid wrote: » Either way, Sinn Féin have wasted your vote. They've done or will do nothing at all to improve your life
imme wrote: » They've been doing the same for anyone voting for a Member of Westminster Parliament for the last 35 years. But of course all SF fans will repeat the mantra that everyone knows that the people they elect for SF to Westminster will never take their seats, they will however take the pay and privileges offices and attendant staffing, che-ching! Can you get full value from an MP that's never going to vote for anything.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I said earlier I am very happy that we now have an effective opposition. My vote is never wasted btw, whatever happens or whoever I vote for and I have at one time or another voted for most parties. Nobody, including SF, owns my vote.
a very cool kid wrote: » You remind me of the Brexiteers doubling down on their bad decision
JohnnyFlash wrote: » I see the Gardaí arrived en-masse to an anti-lockdown protest this afternoon and arrested 11 protestors.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/at-least-11-arrests-at-anti-lockdown-protest-in-dublin-garda%C3%AD-say-1.4388742 Fine work by Drew Harris and the top brass in the Gardaí to finally knock this sort of anti-establishment horseshít on the head.
Suckit wrote: » What has that crap got to do with this thread? Or you going to make up more 'statistics'?
JohnnyFlash wrote: » What statistic did I make up? That the PIRA murdered more Catholics than any other bunch of angry arseholes during the troubles? The Provos weren't sectarian of course.
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