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Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    It shows the laptop was considered evidence in an active money laundering investigation, therefore the contents were not suspected to be a fabrication or a Russian hoax.

    It doesn't prove that at all..

    And more importantly is doesn't show the Hunter Biden is the focus of any investigation - He could be a victim for all we know.

    And as the reporting says itself. There is no information to suggest that Hunter Biden is the target or if the investigation is still active


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    More developments, Hunter Biden's laptop was apparently seized by the FBI from the repair shop as part of an existing money laundering investigation, according to newly released documents.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hunter-bidens-purported-laptop-connected-to-fbi-money-laundering-investigation/

    The document has a “Case ID” section, which is filled in with a hand-written number: 272D-BA-3065729, according to the report, which says multiple officials and the FBI’s website confirm that “272” is the bureau’s classification for money laundering and “272D” refers to “Money Laundering, Unknown SUA [Specified Unlawful Activity]—White Collar Crime Program,” according to FBI documents. One government official told Fox News that “272D” is “transnational or blanket.”

    “BA” means that the case was opened in the FBI’s Baltimore field office, while the documents say that the subpoena was carried out in Wilmington, Del., which is under the jurisdiction of the Baltimore field office.

    “The FBI cannot open a case without predication, so they believed there was predication for criminal activity,” a government official told Fox News. “This means there was sufficient evidence to believe that there was criminal conduct.”


    Gets worse and worse for Hunter and Joe Biden.

    You seem to be missing in important quote from that article:
    though it is unknown whether the investigation is still open or if it directly involves Hunter Biden


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I expect that by the 3rd of November, we will find out that Hunters laptop also included the following.

    A photoshop file showing Obama's original Kenyan birth certificate edited to reference Hawaii.
    The GPS co-ordinates of the location of Jimmy Hoffa's body.
    A list of the original coca-cola ingredients.
    The original Game of Thrones Season 8 plot which was stolen and replaced with the pound store version we ended up having to watch.

    This 'releasing' of information, the narrative around it, the people involved is so laughable you have to remind yourself that this is the intelligence and professionalism of the close confidants of the President of the United States of America and that is a sobering thought.


    Bob Woodward was interviewed on Matt Cooper last night and he said

    "The Average family household has better planning and organisation than the Trump White House."

    Hard to disagree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    astrofool wrote: »
    Just to get this straight, you don't support Trump, but think he will win, and believe the story that Giuliani is pushing at the moment based on the facts and details, or because it goes against mainstream media?

    While putting 'everything' in quotes looks fun (I mean why 'oxygen'? was that needed?), the assertion is that anyone who can believe the list of circumstances that would lead to the email story being real (and maybe there is some real evidence out there that will come to light, I doubt it, and Rudy is probably finished with his hands down his pants tonight) are also in a venn diagram conjoined with those who believe in other outlandish conspiracy theories.

    I am sceptical but I believe it is not to be ignored based on what's been presented so far. Each day that passes I become more convinced. There are 4 or 5 people on the record,along with the Biden campaigns incredible responses and the sudden patterns of coordinated propoganda and general lack of curiosity from journalists who's job used to be to ask the questions that I and others are asking.

    I put oxygen in quotes purposefully because it is the part of the Biden and media's defence not to give oxygen to conspiracies except when they are blasting them on mainstream media. I notice certain keywords popping up in everyone's arguments. First, russian disinformation, second QAnon. And I notice how people are blasé with the language they read and reproduce and when they lump whole swathes of criticism into a neat 'conspiracy theory' box. Whereas people on here immediately say the Director of National Intelligence was lying because he's a republican without irony.

    Yes, the DOJ denying it was one of our trusted 'unnamed sources' ( each day I am told different things about whether that we can place value on these) and the FBI responded in the letter.

    I also didn't buy the coordinated hit-pieces on Rudy Giuliani last time, or the russian disinformation that caused the impeachment and FBI probe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Just watched a few seconds of it. He was actively getting annoyed before the interview started. Basically expected an easy interview... Not sure how he doesn't understand that leaking it doesn't work in his favor.

    He doesn't, just trying to hurt their ratings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Jump to the 15 minute mark

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=350524406214941

    Just listen to how many different answers Trump gave on whether he has a healthcare plan or not. 3 minutes in I lost track.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    TRUMPS TWITTER PASSWORD WAS 'maga2020!' TRUMP WAS HACKED BY THE DUTCH

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/22/trump-twitter-hacked-dutch-researcher-password

    Thank the Dutch for hacking that. Wow. :eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Overheal wrote: »
    Your logic there is pretty Swiss cheese bud.

    The Steele Dossier was considered evidence by the FBI. Does this mean the Dossier is totally genuine, not fabricated or a hoax?

    The Steele Dossier was collected investigative research, this is a laptop hard drive with the personal information of a private citizen. The FBI felt it was necessary to seize it as part of an active, pre-existing money laundering investigation. Therefore they did not consider it Russian election interference or stuff made up to make a politician look bad. It was being looked at to investigate white collar crime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    THIS MAN HAS THE NUCLEAR FOOTBALL AND THATS THEIR TWITTER PASSWORD?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    The Steele Dossier was collected investigative research, this is a laptop hard drive with the personal information of a private citizen. The FBI felt it was necessary to seize it as part of an active, pre-existing money laundering investigation. Therefore they did not consider it Russian election interference or stuff made up to make a politician look bad. It was being looked at to investigate white collar crime.

    Nothing you are arguing intimates whether anything on or about the laptop story is authentic. Sorry not sorry.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Overheal wrote: »
    TRUMPS TWITTER PASSWORD WAS 'maga2020!' TRUMP WAS HACKED BY THE DUTCH

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/22/trump-twitter-hacked-dutch-researcher-password

    Thank the Dutch for hacking that. Wow. :eek:

    From the Guardian article
    Remarkably, it wasn’t the first time Gevers has gained access to the president’s Twitter account. In 2016 he and two others guessed Trump’s password and got into his account.

    Back then Trump’s password was “yourefired”, according to VN news.

    He really is a simple simple man.

    His password is his "catch-phrase du jour".

    Unreal..

    It does beg the question though..Is there no one in the WH that deals with this stuff?

    Making sure devices are secure (like making sure he has 2FA enabled at least) , configuring password security etc.

    Just kinder-garden level stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    From the Guardian article



    He really is a simple simple man.

    His password is his "catch-phrase du jour".

    Unreal..

    It does beg the question though..Is there no one in the WH that deals with this stuff?

    Making sure devices are secure (like making sure he has 2FA enabled at least) , configuring password security etc.

    Just kinder-garden level stuff.

    /password changed to 'personwomanmancameratv2020?'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    NPR:

    There are many, many red flags in that New York Post investigation. NPR Media Correspondent David Folkenflik detailed most of them here. Intelligence officials warn that Russia has been working overtime to keep the story of Hunter Biden in the spotlight. Even if Russia can’t be positively connected to this information, the story of how Trump associates Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani came into a copy of this computer hard drive has not been verified and seems suspect. And if that story could be verified, the NY Post did no forensic work to convince consumers that the emails and photos that are the basis for their report have not been altered.

    But the biggest reason you haven’t heard much on NPR about the Post story is that the assertions don’t amount to much.

    “We don’t want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we don’t want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions,” NPR Managing Editor for News Terence Samuel told me. “And quite frankly, that’s where we ended up, this was … a politically driven event and we decided to treat it that way.”

    The handful of stories that NPR has produced about the NY Post investigation have been limited to how Facebook and Twitter are restricting distribution of the story or how families of those seeking treatment for addiction are impacted by the portrayal of Hunter Biden’s struggle. — Kelly McBride


    https://www.mediaite.com/radio/npr-explains-why-they-havent-covered-hunter-biden-laptop-story-red-flags-on-veracity-and-assertions-dont-amount-to-much/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Overheal wrote: »
    Nothing you are arguing intimates whether anything on or about the laptop story is authentic. Sorry not sorry.

    'The FBI cannot open a case without predication, so they believed there was predication for criminal activity,' one government official said to Fox News.

    'If a criminal case was opened and subpoenas were issued, that means there is a high likelihood that both the laptop and hard drive contain fruits of criminal activity,' the official said.

    The DNI has already made clear the 'criminal activity' did not include Russian interference. The repair shop guy has not been charged with fraud. If this was a fake setup intended to swing the election then the FBI would have made that clear to the congressional committee, as they said they would in their statement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    'The FBI cannot open a case without predication, so they believed there was predication for criminal activity,' one government official said to Fox News.

    'If a criminal case was opened and subpoenas were issued, that means there is a high likelihood that both the laptop and hard drive contain fruits of criminal activity,' the official said.

    The DNI has already made clear the 'criminal activity' did not include Russian interference. The repair shop guy has not been charged with fraud. If this was a fake setup intended to swing the election then the FBI would have made that clear to the congressional committee, as they said they would in their statement.

    That still means nothing.

    Predacation doesn't mean the evidence is factual. It just means the evidence interests the FBI. Predication is a prerequisite to vetting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    maga2020!

    And people still defend this clown car

    He's a f*ckin dope


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Overheal wrote: »
    NPR:

    There are many, many red flags in that New York Post investigation. NPR Media Correspondent David Folkenflik detailed most of them here. Intelligence officials warn that Russia has been working overtime to keep the story of Hunter Biden in the spotlight. Even if Russia can’t be positively connected to this information, the story of how Trump associates Steve Bannon and Rudy Giuliani came into a copy of this computer hard drive has not been verified and seems suspect. And if that story could be verified, the NY Post did no forensic work to convince consumers that the emails and photos that are the basis for their report have not been altered.

    But the biggest reason you haven’t heard much on NPR about the Post story is that the assertions don’t amount to much.

    “We don’t want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, and we don’t want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions,” NPR Managing Editor for News Terence Samuel told me. “And quite frankly, that’s where we ended up, this was … a politically driven event and we decided to treat it that way.”

    The handful of stories that NPR has produced about the NY Post investigation have been limited to how Facebook and Twitter are restricting distribution of the story or how families of those seeking treatment for addiction are impacted by the portrayal of Hunter Biden’s struggle. — Kelly McBride


    https://www.mediaite.com/radio/npr-explains-why-they-havent-covered-hunter-biden-laptop-story-red-flags-on-veracity-and-assertions-dont-amount-to-much/

    Frankly, they are a disgrace with Trump signing their paychecks and all. ;)


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    maga2020!

    And people still defend this clown car

    He's a f*ckin dope

    are you alright Karen... have a cuppa... your sounding a bit triggered
    He might well win, I hope you have a safe space for the candle light vigil.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    Overheal wrote: »
    That still means nothing.

    Predacation doesn't mean the evidence is factual. It just means the evidence interests the FBI. Predication is a prerequisite to vetting.

    If it was fake information on the hard drive incriminating a presidential candidate and the FBI were aware a random repair shop guy had his own copy of it they would have told Joe and Hunter Biden of its existence. It would likely have made world news at the time. Joe and Hunter Biden would now be saying 'we are aware of a fake data dump, these emails and texts are fake, the whole thing is a hoax and the FBI knew about it last year'.

    That's what they did with the evidence of the Iranian election interference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,286 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Maybe the russia angle is why Fox News are not pushing the story anymore? They don't want to be tarred with that brush.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    are you alright Karen... have a cuppa... your sounding a bit triggered
    He might well win, I hope you have a safe space for the candle light vigil.

    Buuuuut Hunter’s emails!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Maybe the russia angle is why Fox News are not pushing the story anymore? They don't want to be tarred with that brush.

    What russia angle? Is there a conspiracy that the intelligence community are lying saying it is not russian disinformation?

    Fox have a number of stories related to it.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    Buuuuut Hunter’s emails!!!!!

    buuuttttt RUSSIA 4EVA
    buututttt MUELLER report
    buuuuttttt STORMY DANIELS
    buuuuttttt IMPEACHEMENT
    buuuuttttt STEEL Dossier

    and still he enters the 3 years, 275 days, 23 hours, 42mins and counting . Ye havent laid a glove on him.

    one thing I will say theres alot of 'butt' in the left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    are you alright Karen... have a cuppa... your sounding a bit triggered
    He might well win, I hope you have a safe space for the candle light vigil.

    He has no chance of winning.

    The real race is the Senate. Biden win doesn't matter as much if Mitch still leads a Republican majority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,702 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    At this stage Hunter Bidens laptop is fast becoming the inanimate carbon rod of this election


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,286 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    What russia angle? Is there a conspiracy that the intelligence community are lying saying it is not russian disinformation?

    Fox have a number of stories related to it.

    I thought the FBI were investigating the possibility? Have they come out and said that it definitely isn't that? I haven't read up on this for a day or two.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭MoonUnit75


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Maybe the russia angle is why Fox News are not pushing the story anymore? They don't want to be tarred with that brush.

    What? They are all over it at the moment. They have a former business partner of Hunter Biden verifying the New York Post emails are genuine and he has handed over even more incriminating emails and texts showing Joe and James Biden were both intimately involved in Hunter's schemes in China.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Frankly, they are a disgrace with Trump signing their paychecks and all. ;)

    The President does not sign paychecks.

    I hope you understand how the US Government operates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    MadYaker wrote: »
    I thought the FBI were investigating the possibility? Have they come out and said that it definitely isn't that? I haven't read up on this for a day or two.

    Yea the DNI came out an said it's not, FBI did and DOJ did (unverified source).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    MoonUnit75 wrote: »
    If it was fake information on the hard drive incriminating a presidential candidate and the FBI were aware a random repair shop guy had his own copy of it they would have told Joe and Hunter Biden of its existence. It would likely have made world news at the time. Joe and Hunter Biden would now be saying 'we are aware of a fake data dump, these emails and texts are fake, the whole thing is a hoax and the FBI knew about it last year'.

    That's what they did with the evidence of the Iranian election interference.

    Your argument is founded upon wild supposition.

    Do you really suppose the FBI holds press conference to announce every time they follow up a lead?

    The FBI does not as a rule make efforts to influence the public especially on such matters as elections.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    buuuttttt RUSSIA 4EVA
    buututttt MUELLER report
    buuuuttttt STORMY DANIELS
    buuuuttttt IMPEACHEMENT
    buuuuttttt STEEL Dossier

    and still he enters the 3 years, 275 days, 23 hours, 42mins and counting . Ye havent laid a glove on him.

    one thing I will say theres alot of 'butt' in the left.

    He was impeached!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yea the DNI came out an said it's not, FBI did and DOJ did (unverified source).

    The DNI is a partisan, though, keep that in mind.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭RIGOLO


    He was impeached!

    you forgot the butttt part ..

    buuuuttttt he was impeached .. is proper left speak ..

    3 years, 275 days, 23 hours, and now 49 mins and counting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,740 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Overheal wrote: »
    /password changed to 'personwomanmancameratv2020?'

    Nah it has to be something easy and that he will remember

    Something like

    Ivankaishot69


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,911 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Overheal wrote: »
    The President does not sign paychecks.

    I hope you understand how the US Government operates.

    Actually he deliberately stalled the issuing of the stimulus cheques so they would contain his signature
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/coming-to-your-1200-relief-check-donald-j-trumps-name/2020/04/14/071016c2-7e82-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    you forgot the butttt part ..

    buuuuttttt he was impeached .. is proper left speak ..

    3 years, 275 days, 23 hours, and now 49 mins and counting

    Oh let me try!

    buuuuttttt her emails
    buuuuttttt she sold Uranium to Russia
    buuuuttttt he spied on his campaign
    buuuuttttt they did the unmasking
    buuuuttttt Benghazi

    Am I doing it right? :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Overheal wrote: »
    The DNI is a partisan, though, keep that in mind.

    Is it a partisan position? Did he take an oath and is he lying?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Actually he deliberately stalled the issuing of the stimulus cheques so they would contain his signature
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/coming-to-your-1200-relief-check-donald-j-trumps-name/2020/04/14/071016c2-7e82-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html

    Having received such a cheque I don't recall Trump's signature being on them, his Name was on them, but not his signature. His name was printed. Also, it's not a payroll cheque, or even a grant to someone like NPR. The President does not sign cheques as the article points out.
    It will be the first time a president’s name appears on an IRS disbursement, whether a routine refund or one of the handful of checks the government has issued to taxpayers in recent decades either to stimulate a down economy or share the dividends of a strong one.
    But the president is not an authorized signer for legal disbursements by the U.S. Treasury. It is standard practice for a civil servant to sign checks issued by the Treasury Department to ensure that government payments are nonpartisan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    are you alright Karen... have a cuppa... your sounding a bit triggered
    He might well win, I hope you have a safe space for the candle light vigil.
    Not TRiggered at all, just laughing at your big boss

    I've never said he won't win. Wouldn't be too surprised if he did


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Is it a partisan position? Did he take an oath and is he lying?

    I recall Trump took an oath too. Unfortunately this isn't a fairytale world, like Harry Potter or Sabrina etc. where an oath holds any actual cosmic power over the oath taker. Evidenced by Trump who under oath of office has lied tens of thousands of times in his official capacities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Overheal wrote: »
    I recall Trump took an oath too. Unfortunately this isn't a fairytale world, like Harry Potter or Sabrina etc. where an oath holds any actual cosmic power over the oath taker. Evidenced by Trump who under oath of office has lied tens of thousands of times in his official capacities.

    Okay at least say you think the DNI is lying. And that the FBI know and have refused to correct him.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Is it a partisan position? Did he take an oath and is he lying?

    Well - He did knowingly release documents that the Intelligence Community and both the GOP and Dem members of the Senate Intelligence committee believed to be Russian Disinformation last week.

    He did so exclusively to make Trump look/feel better.

    He also got his job , not because he's qualified to lead the Intelligence community(he's not , not even remotely) , but because he was a rabid Trump defender during the House Impeachment hearings last year.

    So there's a bit of a track record there of saying/doing things to help Trump rather than further the National interests , because despite what Trump might think they are not always the same thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,302 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    RIGOLO wrote: »
    buuuttttt RUSSIA 4EVA
    buututttt MUELLER report
    buuuuttttt STORMY DANIELS
    buuuuttttt IMPEACHEMENT
    buuuuttttt STEEL Dossier

    and still he enters the 3 years, 275 days, 23 hours, 42mins and counting . Ye havent laid a glove on him.

    one thing I will say theres alot of 'butt' in the left.

    Meanwhile, on the right.
    "Recent administrations with the MOST criminal indictments:
    Trump (Republican) — 215
    Nixon (Republican) — 76
    Reagan (Republican) — 26

    "Recent administrations with the LEAST criminal indictments:
    Obama (Democrat) — 0
    Carter (Democrat) — 1
    Clinton (Democrat) — 2

    215 indictments to 0 and this clown and his supporters have the audacity to talk about the Obama administration being the most corrupt ever.

    I for one am fascinated with how we are living in the midst of such extraordinary behaviour where we are seeing such obvious real life behaviour as that which was documented in parables, folk tales, and allegorical novella.

    'Empty vessels make most noise', 'The emperor has no clothes' 'accuse others of that which you are guilty' ' “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.' and 'All people are equal, but some are more equal than others' are phrases which we grew up reading and understanding largely in reference to implied characters and situations but this President and administration has taken all these and said 'lets re-enact them, but make it showtime'.

    Anyone with a teen-aged child with an interest in english/history/philosophy could do worse than introducing them to the original stories or publications and then showing them modern day real life events which demonstrates what the author was referring to and how this can teach another invaluable lesson, 'History repeats itself'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Well - He did knowingly release documents that the Intelligence Community and both the GOP and Dem members of the Senate Intelligence committee believed to be Russian Disinformation last week.

    He did so exclusively to make Trump look/feel better.

    He also got his job , not because he's qualified to lead the Intelligence community(he's not , not even remotely) , but because he was a rabid Trump defender during the House Impeachment hearings last year.

    So there's a bit of a track record there of saying/doing things to help Trump rather than further the National interests , because despite what Trump might think they are not always the same thing.

    I can't read that, is this the notes?

    I'm just asking if you think he is lying and that the FBI are covering up for him. I know it's not ironclad, but we have been told not to get into conspiracy theories here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Okay at least say you think the DNI is lying. And that the FBI know and have refused to correct him.

    Perfectly sums it up. The FBI doesn't get involved in politics du jour. I recall Robert Mueller made special mention of this fact during his open hearing, that often, according to his take, that the media would have no idea what it was talking about, but that it was not at all the role of the special counsel to correct them, or get involved in mudslinging fests in the media or sending spokespeople out to 'correct the record' on matters of an ongoing investigation.

    At this point, for all we know, it's being examined for whether or not it's Russian planted data or something. There is simply no way for the public to accurately tell at this time. At the end of the day though the 'scandal' here is ultimately weak: that Hunter has a drug problem and that Biden might have shook hands with someone connected to Burisma. Somehow that's being hyped up as Watergate, when it simply isn't


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I watched the entire 60 Minutes clip

    My word. What do Republican voters see in this snowflake? I thought they hated this level of whining.

    Waah I'm president why are you asking me tough questions....throughout....and zero details on healthcare plan and adamant that theyve turned the corner in coronavirus.

    Same shallow comments rehashed for every answer. No substance. Then cry foul when pressed on it.

    Painful. I won't miss this


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Overheal wrote: »
    Perfectly sums it up. The FBI doesn't get involved in politics du jour. I recall Robert Mueller made special mention of this fact during his open hearing, that often, according to his take, that the media would have no idea what it was talking about, but that it was not at all the role of the special counsel to correct them, or get involved in mudslinging fests in the media or sending spokespeople out to 'correct the record' on matters of an ongoing investigation.

    At this point, for all we know, it's being examined for whether or not it's Russian planted data or something. There is simply no way for the public to accurately tell at this time. At the end of the day though the 'scandal' here is ultimately weak: that Hunter has a drug problem and that Biden might have shook hands with someone connected to Burisma. Somehow that's being hyped up as Watergate, when it simply isn't

    It's a little more than politics. They have lead the public and congress to believe there is no information showing that the DNI is using his position to lie for political gain, when you are saying they have some.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I can't read that, is this the notes?

    I'm just asking if you think he is lying and that the FBI are covering up for him. I know it's not ironclad, but we have been told not to get into conspiracy theories here.

    The FBI as an organization doesn't cover up for partisan agenda, and I believe the way it is structured if that was happening in any broad way the whistleblower accounts would be pouring in.

    The DNI, meanwhile, is not a traditionally unimpeachable actor. Just look at DNI Coats who lied for the Intelligence Community when he said they were "Not Wittingly" spying on Americans - something Edward Snowden would later risk quite a lot personally to reveal was an absurdly misleading statement.

    I would be very careful trusting any DNI at face value, much less one that was politically appointed for his defense of the President at his Impeachment, particularly where it pertains to a partisan/election matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    8-10 wrote: »
    I watched the entire 60 Minutes clip

    My word. What do Republican voters see in this snowflake? I thought they hated this level of whining.

    Waah I'm president why are you asking me tough questions....throughout....and zero details on healthcare plan and adamant that theyve turned the corner in coronavirus.

    Same shallow comments rehashed for every answer. No substance. Then cry foul when pressed on it.

    Painful. I won't miss this

    I'm shocked he's proud of that performance when it all just shows that he's not nearly as "tough" as he brands himself. It's a wonder he doesn't stand up to Putin, could you imagine a conversation between the two? Vlad must shush him into a corner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,325 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It's a little more than politics. They have lead the public and congress to believe there is no information showing that the DNI is using his position to lie for political gain, when you are saying they have some.

    The report to Congress was they have nothing further to add "at this time"

    It could very well be they are withholding a more informative release to Congress until after November 3rd so it does not unduly influence the election.


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