KevRossi wrote: » I don't think too many people have issues with someone coming over here, setting up their own business legally, paying taxes and employing people. They are more than welcome here if they do that IMO.
imme wrote: » I was being facetious. I have experienced this in continental Europe, it has been portrayed in film. 2nd generation was a fertile recruiting space for Isis volunteers.
Deleted User wrote: » Except the studies done by the EU commission, (and other independent research groups) show otherwise. Second generation individuals are likely to feel caught between cultural groups where they feel that they don't belong to either. While they will likely have holidays in their parents original homeland, such holidays will simply reinforce the impression that they don't belong, due to the stark differences not just in culture/values absorbed, but also the perception of people towards those of first world nations. And then, when these 2nd gen look at their own experience of being Irish or European, they'll often feel that they have a shallow connection, especially if they're of a different color, in which case, they report feeling 'tolerated' rather than accepted by natives. (regardless of whether it's true or not, that's apparently how they feel on the matter) Across Europe, the rise in social unrest/instability has often been traced back to 2nd generation people who lash out at the existing system because they don't feel themselves to be part of it. It's why there's some who turn to the extreme aspects of Islam, and become terrorists, because it's through the extremism of religion or politics, that they feel accepted by a group. While many 2nd Gen do lead productive and lawabiding lives, there are still serious problems with depression, anger, etc due to the duality of their lives. There are no easy answers... It's one of the reasons I keep saying that we should be encouraging immigration of Europeans, or other western type groups, because there is a far lesser difference in culture, and therefore actual integration is far more likely to be successful. They're simply accepted far more easily within a western society, especially one with a predominately white population.
imme wrote: » Bring on the second generation, because they will really love Ireland.
MidlanderMan wrote: » The fact that on the same stree in Athlone I can get authentic thai food for lunch and fantastic lebanese food for dinner and then walk 200 metres and get a Byriani the next day is amazing. Or that within spitting distace of eachother I can get brilliant Japanese food in a tiny cafe and then traditional Xi'anese hand pulled Biang Biang noodles in Galway. Or within 30 seconds of eachother on Capel Street in dublin I can get Ramen, Pho, or Bibimbap. Beats the **** out of the bad Italian and Chinese food we grew up withm that's for sure.
Deshawn wrote: » Own door accommodation paid via HAP and full social welfare rights. Housing for sale stock at the lowest level for 14 years Inevitable post Brexit increase of applicants who decide to come here instead of a closed border UK. What a time to be alive in Ireland. I hope they come in their droves and completely overwhelm the system. Tens of thousands a year at least.
KevRossi wrote: » And what happens if they can't get housing for them after 3 months? It will, after all be their legal right to be housed. Do they sue the government (i.e. the taxpayer)? Do they have the right to keep refusing houses until they get one in an area that they want? Are they going to be limited to the 'cheaper' areas of the country, or will the residents of the leafier suburbs get to have them as neighbours rather than having them as cheap cleaners, child minders and waiting staff?
jay0109 wrote: » The Greens will push hard to implement this and its their man who's now responsible for DP. I'm very afraid this will be implemented and worn as a badge of honour for decades after by The Greens.
Hamachi wrote: » Realistically, what are the chances that the recommendations in this report will actually be implemented? It reads like an aspirational wish list compiled by an utterly clueless, left-leaning university student. Surely the government aren't taking this seriously, given that we are facing an almost bottomless financial hole for the next decade? My gut tells me that sanity will prevail, when confronted with the reality of acute financial constraints. Hopefully, it's quietly shelved over time. As for the NGO sector, it appears that their MO is to shaft native Irish people to the greatest extent possible. It's incredibly frustrating that we are continually stabbed in the back by this parasitical bunch of anonymous, unelected no-marks.
Geuze wrote: » Perhaps, I won't comment on the past. Currently, we are accepting 6,900 refugees, which seems a good amount to me.
Deleted User wrote: » It's an interesting read. I must admit that there was quite a bit that I didn't fully understand, and some of the assumptions made about housing (and the supports provided) seemed overly optimistic.
Kivaro wrote: » It is too many. It depends on your situation in life on how one sees the asylum situation in Ireland e.g. the amount of tax that you pay. If it was the case that the statistics proved that genuine asylum seekers were coming to Ireland and getting refuge, and then starting employment in order to contribute to our society, then there would be much stronger support from the general public. However, I have yet to meet a man or woman in this country who are struggling with mortgage/rent/childcare costs/healthcare costs/insurance costs/long commutes to work etc. etc., that agree we should be supporting those who come here for a lifetime of welfare and all the entitlements associated with that. Many non-working Africans living in Ireland have a much better quality of life and more modern houses than many working Irish. That is simply not fair.
https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/93410/d5f81351-2c06-4d50-bfe7-beaa74203a80.pdf After 3 months in the reception centre, applicants should move to own-door accommodation under the responsibility of the local authorities. To enable applicants to live in the community, the weekly allowances currently paid should be replaced by a housing allowance modelled on the Homeless Housing Assistance Payment (HHAP) and access to social assistance payments equivalent to the range of income supports (e.g. Supplementary Welfare Allowance, Child Benefit) available to Irish citizens. These should be reviewed in line with reviews of all social welfare payments. • If applicants receive a residency permission, they should continue to benefit from certain support measures for up to 18 months after the permission is obtained. • If an application is refused or if residency permission is not granted, and after all avenues of appeal have been exhausted, the unsuccessful applicants should be given up to 6 months to organise their departure and should continue to receive the housing and supplementary welfare allowances, child benefit, etc., during that time. • “Aged out” unaccompanied minors should remain the responsibility of Tusla, retaining their supports until their applications for asylum have reached a conclusion. • Tusla social workers assigned to unaccompanied minors should be legally obliged to seek prior legal advice on a protection application as soon as possible after the minor becomes the responsibility of Tusla, and before completing and lodging the application. • Until the new, permanent system enters fully into force in mid-2023 the Advisory Group recommends that the Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA) be given the responsibility to inspect the existing accommodation centres and enforce the standards from January 2021. • Unsuccessful applicants should be given a reasonable time to organise their voluntary return. The current 5-day period for deciding whether to accept voluntary return should be extended to 30 days and children and students should be allowed to finish the school year before departure. • The State should develop a strategy and, if necessary, enact legislation for dealing with unsuccessful applicants who are deemed “non-returnable”.12
he financial supports given to those who choose voluntary return to their countries of origin should be doubled
A one-off case-processing approach should be set up to reduce the current backlog of cases. A simplified, case by case procedure should apply to anyone who has been more than two years in the system by the end of 2020. After security vetting, this cohort should be given leave to remain for 5 years without prejudice to their application for protection. The aim should be to develop a procedure which encourages eligible applicants to avail of this process. In reducing the backlog special attention should be given to the case of unaccompanied minors who should all receive leave to remain for 5 years without prejudice to their applications for protection. • All backlog cases, including those covered by the case-processing approach, should be processed by a temporary, dedicated multi-agency task force having due regard to the relevant statutory remits of the various agencies concerned. The aim should be to finalise all these cases by the end of 2022 at the latest.
Wibbs wrote: » And has an extremely short memory. As far as refugees go we've never been particularly welcoming at all. Pre WW2 we didn't take in too many Jews fleeing Hitler, though Ireland's record in general as far as Jews goes is pretty good compared to the rest of Europe. .
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ireland-can-and-must-do-much-better-for-asylum-seekers-1.4387238 This author seems quite deluded to put it mildly. Yes but does that equate to "come to Ireland, here's a house and 20 grand to fight multiple judicial cases on a just in case basis"? It strikes me our country is already highly vulnerable to being abused as it is.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ireland-can-and-must-do-much-better-for-asylum-seekers-1.4387238 This author seems quite deluded to put it mildly.
[Deleted User] wrote: » The amnesty that the Day paper proposes of giving leave to remain to anyone 2 years in direct provision is nuts, people there that long have already had their claim assessed and found to be lacking. Surely it would just leave them open to cases from the small amount who were deported but had been at some point in DP for more than 2 years. It makes a mockery of the system. This report seems to be a wish list by activists and makes no concrete suggestions about how the process should be sped up. Its exactly the type of thing to make the public turn on welcoming genuine asylum seekers.
As a country we pride ourselves on being Ireland of the welcomes
Deleted User wrote: » Even before Covid, it's worth considering the range of unemployment in countries like Italy, Spain etc, It boggles my mind as to why we're being pushed so hard to accept non-western nationalities. It's almost as if we're not supposed to help other Europeans while being part of the EU...
Deleted User wrote: » Agreed.Even before Covid, it's worth considering the range of unemployment in countries like Italy, Spain etc, It boggles my mind as to why we're being pushed so hard to accept non-western nationalities. It's almost as if we're not supposed to help other Europeans while being part of the EU... The logic just makes no sense. If we need labor, then we can easily get it from other European or western nations. There is a labor pool out there who are not drastically different from us, and who would have the side effect of better relationships with the countries most able to help us later.
statesaver wrote: » Vive La Francehttps://twitter.com/TomlinsonCJ/status/1318989819050156034
Geuze wrote: » There is no need for any non-EU immigration, other than where very specific labour market skills are not available here. I don't know why it's even being discussed.
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