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Who thinks Trump will win?

whiskeyman

Hope the mods don't mind a new thread, but I just want to see how many of us think Trump will beat Biden in Nov?
I think he just has so much of a populist ground swell and I wouldn't be surprised if 'external' participants get involved in the process.

Do you think he'll get reelected?
Where will that leave America?

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Call Me Jimmy

vojiwox wrote: »

What do Trump supporters here think of breitbart out of interest?

Don't think of myself as a trump supporter that's so loaded. Some on here might find that laughable given the recent postings. But it's more like he is hitting some important points that I agree with and he definitely opposes the same things I do, at least in his actions.

Never used Breitbart, my deep suspicion is that it's not as bad as its reputation. Like any other outlet if it had an important story that nobody else was covering I'd use my judgement. I don't trust any news organisation. Left leaning sites will expose the right and right leaning sites will expose the left, so I keep up with both.

Overheal

I don’t think of myself as a Trump supporter. That’s why I didn’t answer the question or call it loaded :rolleyes:

Phoebas

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

There are other factors at work in parallel.

1. There's probably something in that, especially in places like Florida, but you'd expect this to be largely accounted for in the polls and all the polling gives Biden the lead in most of the 'competitive' states; beyond the margin of error in many cases.

2. Trump does get media attention for free, but he has used it to shore up the voters that are already in the bag and alienate the voters he actually needs.

3. Trump does have a lot of enthusiasm from his base, and they will turn out. But he needs more than that. They are already in his column; he needs to be talking to other voters, and he isn't.

4. The Democratic party went for Biden precisely because he is a centrist (or centre-right if you like). Trump paints him as a hard-left socialist, but I don't think anyone (who is undecided) believes that. He may lose some on the left, but I'd bet that enough of them, if they aren't motivated by Biden himself, will be sufficiently motivated by their distaste of Trump.

5. The laptop controversy is not a vote winner. IMHO. If Trump leads with that tomorrow, I'd take it as a sign that he is desperate. He would be better off concentrating on the economy where he scores well, but he just can't help himself.

MeMen2_MoRi_

newhouse87 wrote: »

ok you are missing my point, im saying IF trump wins again, would you agree that the polls are wrong and trump has silent voters not declaring for him in polls? Im not saying it is true, im saying if he wins again it points to that conclusion, would you agree?

MU75 mentions 2016, you mention " wins again" in your reply to me, im assuming you are also thinking people lied to pollsters in 16, they didn't lie in 16 they were just undecided it's that simple.

newhouse87

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

MU75 mentions 2016, you mention " wins again" in your reply to me, im assuming you are also thinking people lied to pollsters in 16, they didn't lie in 16 they were just undecided it's that simple.

ok so are they undecided if he wins again this time?

MeMen2_MoRi_

newhouse87 wrote: »

ok so are they undecided if he wins again this time?

I'm believing the polls, he doesn't win this time..

When you factor the swing of the undecideds had in 16 to what impact the undecideds can have this time around, he doesn't win.. so the "shy" Donnie voter doesn't actually exist, it's a poor little branch people are clinging too to stop themselves drowning in actual reality that it's a one and done from Donnie.

newhouse87

i agree that i dont think he will get elected, but if he does do you agree that there is silent support, if he wins that is the conclusion im coming to.

Tony EH

vojiwox wrote: »

If they vote him in again... I dunno.

They voted Bush in...

...twice.

sabat

vojiwox wrote: »

Obama just now: “Our Democracy is not going to work if the people who are supposed to be our leaders lie everyday and just make things up. And we’ve become just numb to it. We’ve become immune to it. Every single day. Fact checkers can’t keep up.”

While Donny is at the same time posting articles from breitbart about hunter and China.

If they vote him in again... I dunno.

Trump is just an old salesman unable to control the flow of bollocks coming out of his mouth; his lies are so pointless, relentless and transparent that they're hardly even lies anymore. Obama on the other hand is capable of this kind of lying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNYmK19-d0U

10 minutes of manipulative self-serving totally fictional faux-gravitas aimed to deceive the US public and the entire world. Which one is more dangerous for democracy?

MeMen2_MoRi_

newhouse87 wrote: »

i agree that i dont think he will get elected, but if he does do you agree that there is silent support, if he wins that is the conclusion im coming to.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my... It's that simple.

You and MU75 have gotten this notion that people lied in 16/the polls were wrong etc.. they weren't overtly wrong, Donnie was closing in on Hillary, the first debate happened and things really began swinging towards Donnie. There's some good posts in the other thread by Quin_Dub about the polls about 16.

We've had the first shouting match, Donnie didn't come out looking great?? The lead is still nearing double digits.. he is cooked. If not, I'll eat a hat with these words sprinkled over the top of it.

newhouse87

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

If my aunt had balls she'd be my... It's that simple.

You and MU75 have gotten this notion that people lied in 16/the polls were wrong etc.. they weren't overtly wrong, Donnie was closing in on Hillary, the first debate happened and things really began swinging towards Donnie. There's some good posts in the other thread by Quin_Dub about the polls about 16.

We've had the first shouting match, Donnie didn't come out looking great?? The lead is still nearing double digits.. he is cooked. If not, I'll eat a hat with these words sprinkled over the top of it.

You cant answer a straight forward question, fair enough, i never said he had silent vote, i said if he wins again that has to be considered, to win twice against as you put it a double digit lead for biden this time, has to suggest more then undecided voters. We will see in a few weeks. The polls were wrong its simple, not overtly wrong is still wrong.

Call Me Jimmy

Overheal wrote: »

I don’t think of myself as a Trump supporter. That’s why I didn’t answer the question or call it loaded :rolleyes:

Absolutely because on here every second post references everyone on one side of the argument as Trump cultists and reasonable posts from multiple people are met with all sorts of insinuations. So it's fair enough to clarify that I'm not someone who thinks Trump is great or has any allegiance to him, but more I think his geopolitical shift is a very important one. Also I'm against the ideology springing up on the other side.

MeMen2_MoRi_

newhouse87 wrote: »

You cant answer a straight forward question, fair enough, i never said he had silent vote, i said if he wins again that has to be considered, to win twice against as you put it a double digit lead for biden this time, has to suggest more then undecided voters. We will see in a few weeks. The polls were wrong its simple, not overtly wrong is still wrong.

The range of being +/- X percent was the range things were in.

The question you're asking is based on the false assumption it happened in 16 so it might happen this time, Ive pointed you to were the "lies" came from, it was the undecideds, they simply made up their minds who to vote for.

I think I kinda answered the question with my previous post, last line "I'll eat my hat".

astrofool

sabat wrote: »

Trump is just an old salesman unable to control the flow of bollocks coming out of his mouth; his lies are so pointless, relentless and transparent that they're hardly even lies anymore. Obama on the other hand is capable of this kind of lying:

10 minutes of manipulative self-serving totally fictional faux-gravitas aimed to deceive the US public and the entire world. Which one is more dangerous for democracy?

I would like to see this elaborated upon, but I'm afraid you won't get the chance to post again.

newhouse87

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

The range of being +/- X percent was the range things were in.

The question you're asking is based on the false assumption it happened in 16 so it might happen this time, Ive pointed you to were the "lies" came from, it was the undecideds, they simply made up their minds who to vote for.

I think I kinda answered the question with my previous post, last line "I'll eat my hat".

Cant call it a false assumption until after this election, we have differing opinions and thats fair enough no proof to say it was undecideds and not "shy" trump voters in 2016, if he wins again against the polls once more it suggests its "shy" trump voters rather then undecideds in both elections. We will see and again i think biden wins.

sabat

astrofool wrote: »

I would like to see this elaborated upon, but I'm afraid you won't get the chance to post again.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v37/n10/seymour-m.-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

Outlaw Pete

Overheal wrote: »

Trump is going to be in jail when he submits that DNA sample

It's a civil case.

Outlaw Pete

Hunter's ex business partner confirms Joe is the 'Big Guy' in the email chain and also that Joe lied about not speaking with Hunter about his business dealings:

Hunter biz partner confirms e-mail, details Joe Biden’s push to make millions from China

My name is Tony Bobulinski. The facts set forth below are true and accurate; they are not any form of domestic or foreign disinformation. Any suggestion to the contrary is false and offensive. I am the recipient of the email published seven days ago by the New York Post which showed a copy to Hunter Biden and Rob Walker. That email is genuine.

What I am outlining is fact. I know it is fact because I lived it. I am the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings which was a partnership between the Chinese operating through CEFC/Chairman Ye and the Biden family. I was brought into the company to be the CEO by James Gilliar and Hunter Biden. The reference to “the Big Guy” in the much publicized May 13, 2017 email is in fact a reference to Joe Biden. The other “JB” referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother.

Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line.

I don’t have a political ax to grind; I just saw behind the Biden curtain and I grew concerned with what I saw. The Biden family aggressively leveraged the Biden family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities even though some were from communist controlled China.

Full article.

Be interesting to see how the liberal media react to this. They already look like partisan hacks playing it all up as Russian misinformation already.

Either way, doubt muting mics will stop Trump asking Joe if he still maintains he never discussed his business dealings with his son.

Have to extra popcorn in tonight.

8-10

sabat wrote: »

Which one is more dangerous for democracy?

Trump
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Also, this is pretty massive:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/russia-iran-us-voter-data-security-fbi-election

Russia and Iran obtained US voter data in bid to sow unrest before election, FBI warns

In rare news conference, the director of national security says Iran has sent spoofed emails to intimidate voters

So this is where those 'Proud Boys' emails came from, threatening retribution if registered Dems don't vote for Trump

RIGOLO

8-10 wrote: »

Trump
.
Also, this is pretty massive:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/21/russia-iran-us-voter-data-security-fbi-election

So this is where those 'Proud Boys' emails came from, threatening retribution if registered Dems don't vote for Trump

Your implying Iran is sending emails to Democrat voters telling them to vote for Trump....:eek:

vojiwox

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Hunter's ex business partner confirms Joe is the 'Big Guy' in the email chain and also that Joe lied about not speaking with Hunter about his business dealings:

Be interesting to see how the liberal media react to this. They already look like partisan hacks playing it all up as Russian misinformation already.

Either way, doubt muting mics will stop Trump asking Joe if he still maintains he never discussed his business dealings with his son.

Have to extra popcorn in tonight.

These nypost articles are brilliant.

"The dynamite assertion, believable because it aligns with earlier information we know to be true"

Hahahaha

extra gravy

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Have to extra popcorn in tonight.

Be careful not to choke on it when Biden wins again.

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Hunter's ex business partner confirms Joe is the 'Big Guy' in the email chain and also that Joe lied about not speaking with Hunter about his business dealings:

Be interesting to see how the liberal media react to this. They already look like partisan hacks playing it all up as Russian misinformation already.

Either way, doubt muting mics will stop Trump asking Joe if he still maintains he never discussed his business dealings with his son.

Have to extra popcorn in tonight.

NYP have so much faith in that story that they clearly mark it as "Opinion".

Potatoeman

It’s crazy, Americans are not talking to family this Christmas because of how they vote. All politicians are corrupt, why would you not speak to your family over who they vote for?

vojiwox

mcmoustache wrote: »

NYP have so much faith in that story that they clearly mark it as "Opinion".

For fans of a guy who is so against fake news, they really do post the worst journalism by far here.

8-10

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your implying Iran is sending emails to Democrat voters telling them to vote for Trump....:eek:

I'm not implying, that's what's being reported as happening

8-10

Potatoeman wrote: »

It’s crazy, Americans are not talking to family this Christmas because of how they vote. All politicians are corrupt, why would you not speak to your family over who they vote for?

Because politics has been turned into sport over there.

You support a team and defend them at every opportunity and hate your rivals to the core.

It's just sports teams these days, not politics.

MeMen2_MoRi_

newhouse87 wrote: »

Cant call it a false assumption until after this election, we have differing opinions and thats fair enough no proof to say it was undecideds and not "shy" trump voters in 2016, if he wins again against the polls once more it suggests its "shy" trump voters rather then undecideds in both elections. We will see and again i think biden wins.

Opinions come based off of facts.

You can't prove your point of the shy/people lying to pollsters.. yet you are adamant in your belief that it happened in 16 and can possibly happen in a few weeks times..

stefanovich

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your implying Iran is sending emails to Democrat voters telling them to vote for Trump....:eek:

Wouldn't it make more sense for Iran to want Biden?

Russia obtained data but did not use it. Iran are doing the harassing.

Iran knows if Biden gets in the planeloads of cash will start up again.

washman3

Potatoeman wrote: »

It’s crazy, Americans are not talking to family this Christmas because of how they vote. All politicians are corrupt, why would you not speak to your family over who they vote for?

In case you did'nt notice, it's been happening in Ireland since the foundation of the state.!! Ever heard of the term 'civil war politics'
I know some people, you have not spoken to each other since the McCarthy/Keane debacle in Saipan. Were lifetime friends before that, and another case are 2 brothers.
Yet we call Americans crazy.....