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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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electrofelix

billcullen1 wrote: »

I was told I have a few cracks in my chimney and I need to get them repaired, what is the best way to tackle this, has any1 had this experience and how did they handle it.

Was it a chimney inspector or just a cleaner who noticed it? Definitely should get it fully inspected to confirm the size and location of the cracks. Many of the chimney repair people will have the snake camera equipment to be able to check the length of the flue.

A relining can be quite expensive depending on whether the crack is near the top or bottom of the flue. Near the top and they can sometimes just open up the top part, lift out the damaged liner and replace with new ones. Near the bottom and they pretty much need to remove the entire lot with multiple holes and insert fresh liner. Generally the only option for an open fire unless you have quite a wide opening (needs min flue diameter of 200mm). If you are getting a stove or have one fitted, a flue liner is typically a more economical option and these days you can opt for a twin wall flue liner which are a bit more robust.

Had a wide crack that was above the mantel, and since we were going for a stove due to the benefits in reducing the drafts in the house, opted for twin wall flexible flue liner rather than trying to repair.

When it comes to insurance, it typically depends on policy, whether the crack is attributable to a chimney fire (usually are) as that is typically what is insured, when it occurred as I'm not sure insurance covers if there was a chimney fire before you bought, as well as looking ahead as to the premium increase to check whether it's worth it.

billcullen1

Thanks so much for responding to my post. I have a vested interest in this topic at the moment and you have been very helpful.

We are on the waiting list for a camera inspection next week. depending on the outcome of the result we are going to have to make a decision regarding the type of flu required or if the chimney has to be relined.

Trying to find a suitable fitter, have had conflicting information from some we've contacted ourselves, so looking for recommendation fitters and any idea of the cost involved.

Do you mind if i ask if you went through your insurance and how long it took for the job to be completed.

Thanks

steamsey

Blanco100 wrote: »

Anyone have any info on the Vitae 6KW cassette stove? Thinking of purchasing along with new fireplace

Cheers in advance

Got one last January. Very happy with it. Heading approx 10mx4m room very nicely. Got top quality flue and external air.

Wheety

Any recommendations on someone to clean a stove? Our usual place are booked out until mid-December. Maybe they're all like that now?

In Dublin 20.

liam7831

Can you get an oil stove with back boiler ?

blackbox

Does anyone know if you install a stove with its own external air supply, do regulations still require you to have a fixed vent in the room?

Musefan

Blanco100 wrote: »

Anyone have any info on the Vitae 6KW cassette stove? Thinking of purchasing along with new fireplace

Cheers in advance

We have one installed in a 5X4 meter room. Gets the room toasty warm and we open the door to let heat out into the hall. Glass stays clean with the air wash system. The riddle makes it easy to get the ashes into the bottom part. I use and old paint brush to sweep ashes out of the hard to reach parts of the inside and we also use an ash vac to keep it clean.

funkey_monkey

Does anyone know where I'd get a replacement of the control dial down in the attached images?
It is from a Hamco 2000. I've contacted them but no reply.

Thanks.

Forge83

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Does anyone know where I'd get a replacement of the control dial down in the attached images?
It is from a Hamco 2000. I've contacted them but no reply.

Thanks.

Try H&F Cookers Tipperary or Gordon heating Galway or Charlie Bonner’s Donegal.
3 of the largest cooker reconditioning specialists.

Forge83

blackbox wrote: »

Does anyone know if you install a stove with its own external air supply, do regulations still require you to have a fixed vent in the room?

Technically yes for the safe removal of any carbon monoxide released into the room.As per document J of building regs.

Forge83

liam7831 wrote: »

Can you get an oil stove with back boiler ?

I don’t think they make them new anymore, only oil cookers.
Some second hand ones still around though and normally in decent condition.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26177819

liam7831

Forge83 wrote: »

I don’t think they make them new anymore, only oil cookers.
Some second hand ones still around though and normally in decent condition.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26177819

Thanks for the reply Forge

Lewis_Benson

People's opinion on the Stanley Erin these days?
Moved into a house which has one, needs a new grate (ordered).

Throws out savage heat to the room, and loads of hot water, keeps rads warm enough, but needs a good fire to keep them hot.

Bass Reeves

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

People's opinion on the Stanley Erin these days?
Moved into a house which has one, needs a new grate (ordered).

Throws out savage heat to the room, and loads of hot water, keeps rads warm enough, but needs a good fire to keep them hot.

I have one installed since 1990. However it was the secondary form of heating. We have an oil Stanley range and that heats the house during the day. Then from autumn we start to light the Eirn and it keeps the house topped up until bedtime. It would struggle to heat the house completely unless we were burning all coal. House is insulated very well but about 200 sq meters.

Problem with it is if you have that level.of fire on it the room you are in will be in the high 20's temp wise unless it is a big open plan room. You could consider a gas or oil condenser boiler to do the heavy lifting and connect it into the system.

Lewis_Benson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have one installed since 1990. However it was the secondary form of heating. We have an oil Stanley range and that heats the house during the day. Then from autumn we start to light the Eirn and it keeps the house topped up until bedtime. It would struggle to heat the house completely unless we were burning all coal. House is insulated very well but about 200 sq meters.

Problem with it is if you have that level.of fire on it the room you are in will be in the high 20's temp wise unless it is a big open plan room. You could consider a gas or oil condenser boiler to do the heavy lifting and connect it into the system.

Thanks, didn't realized the Erin has been around that long.

I have OFCH also so havé the Best of both worlds.

Living in the countryside, I was going to buy a load of turf, but it produces way too much Ash.
I might by a trailer load of firewood instead.

Bass Reeves

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Thanks, didn't realized the Erin has been around that long.

I have OFCH also so havé the Best of both worlds.

Living in the countryside, I was going to buy a load of turf, but it produces way too much Ash.
I might by a trailer load of firewood instead.

Ya there was a bigger stove as well in the Stanley range at the time. The Eirn was on the market 1-2 years at the time it was SD as a 40k BTU stove with 12k going to room and 28k to boiler.

Just be careful with buying timber as it needse to be seasoned. I cut my own and it usually in the shed 2-3 years before use. I use a small bit of smokeless nugget mix, the ovoids and ordinary coal burn too hot and burn out grate too fast. Use your oil to bring the house up to a comfortable heat and the stove to maintain it. Thermostatic rads valves manage individual room temp

Lewis_Benson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Ya there was a bigger stove as well in the Stanley range at the time. The Eirn was on the market 1-2 years at the time it was SD as a 40k BTU stove with 12k going to room and 28k to boiler.

Just be careful with buying timber as it needse to be seasoned. I cut my own and it usually in the shed 2-3 years before use. I use a small bit of smokeless nugget mix, the ovoids and ordinary coal burn too hot and burn out grate too fast. Use your oil to bring the house up to a comfortable heat and the stove to maintain it. Thermostatic rads valves manage individual room temp

Yep I know about moisture in timber.
I had a hunter herald 8 in my last home, it was the primary heat source.
Great stove, but the erin seems to throw out way more heat.

Bass Reeves

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Yep I know about moisture in timber.
I had a hunter herald 8 in my last home, it was the primary heat source.
Great stove, but the erin seems to throw out way more heat.

1000 BTU=0.3KW.

So it supposed to be 4KW to room and 8KW to heating in my one but I see the actual rating is max 6KE to room and 13.5 overall. I somehow think they are with wood as a heat source. The heat output would also be related to the house insulation. What BER ratings us this house

[Deleted User]

Are stoves much of an improvement over standard open fire?
I'm looking at a stanley oisin, fitting it into existing fire ope for open fire.
Just wondering will a stove make much difference??

Bass Reeves

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Are stoves much of an improvement over standard open fire?
I'm looking at a stanley oisin, fitting it into existing fire ope for open fire.
Just wondering will a stove make much difference??

Huge improvements, a standard open fire is only 10-20%efficient, stoves are 70-80%efficient. You will use less fuel and the room will be warmer. As well when the fire goes out to be room will remain warm as down draft from chimney will not be present as well as residual heat from stove. Stanley is no longer the brand of choice

[Deleted User]

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Huge improvements, a standard open fire is only 10-20%efficient, stoves are 70-80%efficient. You will use less fuel and the room will be warmer. As well when the fire goes out to be room will remain warm as down draft from chimney will not be present as well as residual heat from stove. Stanley is no longer the brand of choice

Cheer. What is a good one now to get?

https://ryanstoves.ie/product/henley-cheltenham-5/

funkey_monkey

liam7831 wrote: »

Can you get an oil stove with back boiler ?

Made by Bubble, primarily for boats, but in house.

http://www.bubbleproducts.co.uk/info--(b1-half-pod-oil).html

stevek93

Hi all,

I got quoted 1.4K to install this below stove in my existing fireplace does this sound right?

The chimney will be lined of course.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

Maximus_1

stevek93 wrote: »

Hi all,

I got quoted 1.4K to install this below stove in my existing fireplace does this sound right?

The chimney will be lined of course.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

Its a different stove but I recently got an insert stove, the Vitae 6kw installed for 300. That included flue lining the chimney. Your quote sounds crazy to me. I had another quote for 500 for comparison

stevek93

Maximus_1 wrote: »

Its a different stove but I recently got an insert stove, the Vitae 6kw installed for 300. That included flue lining the chimney. Your quote sounds crazy to me. I had another quote for 500 for comparison

Sorry this quote includes the price of the stove and all materials and labour.

Maximus_1

stevek93 wrote: »

Sorry this quote includes the price of the stove and all materials and labour.

Ah! That's much different so. Sounds grand then!

stevek93

Maximus_1 wrote: »

Ah! That's much different so. Sounds grand then!

I worded my first post wrong

can’t wait for it be installed!

Bass Reeves

stevek93 wrote: »

Hi all,

I got quoted 1.4K to install this below stove in my existing fireplace does this sound right?

The chimney will be lined of course.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

What are they doing are they enlarging the opening in chimney breast or just sitting it on the existing plinth in front of the old open fire. Are the providing all materials.

Recently did a pellet stove in a holiday home. Chimney was opened lintels installed, new recess was lined with fireproof board, opened my was cladded, old point was used and a similar granite base installed behind it. Chimney was lined, and everything was made good. It cost 1400 euro, I supplied all materials which cost about 7O0 and labour was 700 euro Inc vat.

chooseusername

Hi Bass,
I hope you don't mind me asking;
Of the 700 materials , how much was stove and how much for the lining?
Also, where are you based?

5500

Just looking for some thoughts from others, we had a wood burning inset stove fitted back in March. We were told for the first few fires there would be a smell of paint curing and that it would pass. Sure enough it was there but we only had a couple of small fires and it was into the summer then and not used.

Fast forward a few weeks back and we started lighting it again (about 10 fires at this stage) and the smell was still there, but seemed to be getting stronger to the point you couldn't sit in the room and had to open a window to get it out. This all came to a head the other day when the smoke alarm started going off In the room, although no smoke appeared to be visible, the smell appeared stronger than ever.

We rang the installation company, who passed it on to the manufacturers, they in turn sent out an engineer who took the fire apart but couldn't find anything amiss, so they lit the fire to see if the issue would arise which it did.

They think the smell is coming from however the granite surround was fitted to the existing wall, eg glue which is burning when the fire is lit and the surround heats up, and not from the actual stove itself, so are passing back to the installers, but the installers have gone quiet when I've tried contact them since.

We can't light the fire as 1 the smell would give you a headache, its like a strong chemical, and 2 the smoke alarm keeps going off, but im just wondering has anyone else had a similar problem and if it should be an easy fix?