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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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Bass Reeves

stevek93 wrote: »

Hi all,

Can I burn coal in this stove? the installer suggested not to burn coal, I have smoky coal.

I have never had a stove open fire for as long as I can remember, with the open fire I do be shovelling in the coal as if it was a steam train but with the stove is different I'd imagine.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

The problem with burning smokey coal in these stoves they burn too hot. You tend to burn out grates and fire blocks. If you have some left over use it sparsely maybe a small shovel when starting. But if you shovel it in you will burn out and warp grates and have to buy replacement.

I have a big old Eirn and use a shovel of nuggets when starting it to get the heat going. 12X40 kg bags do me two years.

stevek93

Hi all,

Can I burn coal in this stove? the installer suggested not to burn coal, I have smoky coal.

I have never had a stove open fire for as long as I can remember, with the open fire I do be shovelling in the coal as if it was a steam train

but with the stove is different I'd imagine.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

5500

Thanks for all the above, I'll go chasing the fitters again tomorrow and put some of the above to them and hopefully get to the bottom of it, I'll update when I do

Forge83

5500 wrote: »

Just looking for some thoughts from others, we had a wood burning inset stove fitted back in March. We were told for the first few fires there would be a smell of paint curing and that it would pass. Sure enough it was there but we only had a couple of small fires and it was into the summer then and not used.

Fast forward a few weeks back and we started lighting it again (about 10 fires at this stage) and the smell was still there, but seemed to be getting stronger to the point you couldn't sit in the room and had to open a window to get it out. This all came to a head the other day when the smoke alarm started going off In the room, although no smoke appeared to be visible, the smell appeared stronger than ever.

We rang the installation company, who passed it on to the manufacturers, they in turn sent out an engineer who took the fire apart but couldn't find anything amiss, so they lit the fire to see if the issue would arise which it did.

They think the smell is coming from however the granite surround was fitted to the existing wall, eg glue which is burning when the fire is lit and the surround heats up, and not from the actual stove itself, so are passing back to the installers, but the installers have gone quiet when I've tried contact them since.

We can't light the fire as 1 the smell would give you a headache, its like a strong chemical, and 2 the smoke alarm keeps going off, but im just wondering has anyone else had a similar problem and if it should be an easy fix?

It could be one of a few things.

1. Rockwool insulation smouldering against the stove or pipe. Some installers are still using rockwool when they shouldn’t be.
Ask the installer if they used Rockwool anywhere in the installation.

2. Old Creosote build up in chimney which is now being burnt by the heat from the stove. Have seen it occur badly on chimneys that are lined with stainless liners but not cleaned properly before installation.

3. Silca packets(moisture protection in new products) burning under the ash pan. An unlikely one but have seen it happen.

4. You haven’t burned the stove to a hot enough temperature to fully cure it.

5. A non suitable heat resistant silicone was used instead of the correct fire cement. This would also smoulder like the rockwool. Ask them what they used,

corks finest

5500 wrote: »

The stove was supplied by the company who installed it so im presuming it wasn't outsourced to a different fitter so to speak.

It was fitted into an existing block fireplace, I'm not aware of any insulation, when the manufacturers guys removed it the other day they didn't mention it.

The smell is like a chemical or burning polystyrene smell, weather its related or not but the only part of the surrounding granite that gets really hot when lit is at the top or the stove (the chimney breast right about this is also too hot to touch but everywhere else is fine) and this seems to be the area where the smell is coming from

That sounds dangerous In the extreme doubt I’d send a solicitors letter accompanying an engineers report looking for refit and costs if they don’t sort it , joe Duffy etc would be interested I reckon and bet you’re not the only dissatisfied customer

5500

positron wrote: »

At 5500 - is there any insulation behind the inset stove, like a ceramic blanket or something like that? I read on another thread about that gassing off like cat piss. I am in the process of installing one myself, so really curious to know what's going on with yours.

The stove was supplied by the company who installed it so im presuming it wasn't outsourced to a different fitter so to speak.

It was fitted into an existing block fireplace, I'm not aware of any insulation, when the manufacturers guys removed it the other day they didn't mention it.

The smell is like a chemical or burning polystyrene smell, weather its related or not but the only part of the surrounding granite that gets really hot when lit is at the top or the stove (the chimney breast right about this is also too hot to touch but everywhere else is fine) and this seems to be the area where the smell is coming from

positron

At 5500 - is there any insulation behind the inset stove, like a ceramic blanket or something like that? I read on another thread about that gassing off like cat piss. I am in the process of installing one myself, so really curious to know what's going on with yours.

Bass Reeves

5500 wrote: »

Just looking for some thoughts from others, we had a wood burning inset stove fitted back in March. We were told for the first few fires there would be a smell of paint curing and that it would pass. Sure enough it was there but we only had a couple of small fires and it was into the summer then and not used.

Fast forward a few weeks back and we started lighting it again (about 10 fires at this stage) and the smell was still there, but seemed to be getting stronger to the point you couldn't sit in the room and had to open a window to get it out. This all came to a head the other day when the smoke alarm started going off In the room, although no smoke appeared to be visible, the smell appeared stronger than ever.

We rang the installation company, who passed it on to the manufacturers, they in turn sent out an engineer who took the fire apart but couldn't find anything amiss, so they lit the fire to see if the issue would arise which it did.

They think the smell is coming from however the granite surround was fitted to the existing wall, eg glue which is burning when the fire is lit and the surround heats up, and not from the actual stove itself, so are passing back to the installers, but the installers have gone quiet when I've tried contact them since.

We can't light the fire as 1 the smell would give you a headache, its like a strong chemical, and 2 the smoke alarm keeps going off, but im just wondering has anyone else had a similar problem and if it should be an easy fix?

Was the installer provided by the stove supplier or did you hire them separately . If the stove supplier arranged the fitting get back into them

Bass Reeves

chooseusername wrote: »

Hi Bass,
I hope you don't mind me asking;
Of the 700 materials , how much was stove and how much for the lining?
Also, where are you based?

Stove was separate it was a pellet stove it was more expensive than the rest of the materials and the labour. I did not realize that Steve price in the stove. A ordinary wood burning stove can cost from 200 to 1500 Euro so its the fitting and parts price you should be looking at

Lintels X2
Concrete board
Cladding X3 sq meters
bag of tile adhesive
Chrome tile trim by 2
liner
vermiculite X2 bags
from pellet stove T-piece, 45 degree piece, end piece 1 meter pipe.
second hand granite plinth
fitting for electrical socket and electrical cable

5500

Just looking for some thoughts from others, we had a wood burning inset stove fitted back in March. We were told for the first few fires there would be a smell of paint curing and that it would pass. Sure enough it was there but we only had a couple of small fires and it was into the summer then and not used.

Fast forward a few weeks back and we started lighting it again (about 10 fires at this stage) and the smell was still there, but seemed to be getting stronger to the point you couldn't sit in the room and had to open a window to get it out. This all came to a head the other day when the smoke alarm started going off In the room, although no smoke appeared to be visible, the smell appeared stronger than ever.

We rang the installation company, who passed it on to the manufacturers, they in turn sent out an engineer who took the fire apart but couldn't find anything amiss, so they lit the fire to see if the issue would arise which it did.

They think the smell is coming from however the granite surround was fitted to the existing wall, eg glue which is burning when the fire is lit and the surround heats up, and not from the actual stove itself, so are passing back to the installers, but the installers have gone quiet when I've tried contact them since.

We can't light the fire as 1 the smell would give you a headache, its like a strong chemical, and 2 the smoke alarm keeps going off, but im just wondering has anyone else had a similar problem and if it should be an easy fix?

chooseusername

Hi Bass,
I hope you don't mind me asking;
Of the 700 materials , how much was stove and how much for the lining?
Also, where are you based?

Bass Reeves

stevek93 wrote: »

Hi all,

I got quoted 1.4K to install this below stove in my existing fireplace does this sound right?

The chimney will be lined of course.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

What are they doing are they enlarging the opening in chimney breast or just sitting it on the existing plinth in front of the old open fire. Are the providing all materials.

Recently did a pellet stove in a holiday home. Chimney was opened lintels installed, new recess was lined with fireproof board, opened my was cladded, old point was used and a similar granite base installed behind it. Chimney was lined, and everything was made good. It cost 1400 euro, I supplied all materials which cost about 7O0 and labour was 700 euro Inc vat.

stevek93

Maximus_1 wrote: »

Ah! That's much different so. Sounds grand then!

I worded my first post wrong

can’t wait for it be installed!

Maximus_1

stevek93 wrote: »

Sorry this quote includes the price of the stove and all materials and labour.

Ah! That's much different so. Sounds grand then!

stevek93

Maximus_1 wrote: »

Its a different stove but I recently got an insert stove, the Vitae 6kw installed for 300. That included flue lining the chimney. Your quote sounds crazy to me. I had another quote for 500 for comparison

Sorry this quote includes the price of the stove and all materials and labour.

Maximus_1

stevek93 wrote: »

Hi all,

I got quoted 1.4K to install this below stove in my existing fireplace does this sound right?

The chimney will be lined of course.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

Its a different stove but I recently got an insert stove, the Vitae 6kw installed for 300. That included flue lining the chimney. Your quote sounds crazy to me. I had another quote for 500 for comparison

stevek93

Hi all,

I got quoted 1.4K to install this below stove in my existing fireplace does this sound right?

The chimney will be lined of course.

https://www.waterfordstanley.com/stoves/stanley-stoves/room-heating/solid-fuel/oscar-stove

funkey_monkey

liam7831 wrote: »

Can you get an oil stove with back boiler ?

Made by Bubble, primarily for boats, but in house.

http://www.bubbleproducts.co.uk/info--(b1-half-pod-oil).html

[Deleted User]

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Huge improvements, a standard open fire is only 10-20%efficient, stoves are 70-80%efficient. You will use less fuel and the room will be warmer. As well when the fire goes out to be room will remain warm as down draft from chimney will not be present as well as residual heat from stove. Stanley is no longer the brand of choice

Cheer. What is a good one now to get?

https://ryanstoves.ie/product/henley-cheltenham-5/

Bass Reeves

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Are stoves much of an improvement over standard open fire?
I'm looking at a stanley oisin, fitting it into existing fire ope for open fire.
Just wondering will a stove make much difference??

Huge improvements, a standard open fire is only 10-20%efficient, stoves are 70-80%efficient. You will use less fuel and the room will be warmer. As well when the fire goes out to be room will remain warm as down draft from chimney will not be present as well as residual heat from stove. Stanley is no longer the brand of choice

[Deleted User]

Are stoves much of an improvement over standard open fire?
I'm looking at a stanley oisin, fitting it into existing fire ope for open fire.
Just wondering will a stove make much difference??

Bass Reeves

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Yep I know about moisture in timber.
I had a hunter herald 8 in my last home, it was the primary heat source.
Great stove, but the erin seems to throw out way more heat.

1000 BTU=0.3KW.

So it supposed to be 4KW to room and 8KW to heating in my one but I see the actual rating is max 6KE to room and 13.5 overall. I somehow think they are with wood as a heat source. The heat output would also be related to the house insulation. What BER ratings us this house

Lewis_Benson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Ya there was a bigger stove as well in the Stanley range at the time. The Eirn was on the market 1-2 years at the time it was SD as a 40k BTU stove with 12k going to room and 28k to boiler.

Just be careful with buying timber as it needse to be seasoned. I cut my own and it usually in the shed 2-3 years before use. I use a small bit of smokeless nugget mix, the ovoids and ordinary coal burn too hot and burn out grate too fast. Use your oil to bring the house up to a comfortable heat and the stove to maintain it. Thermostatic rads valves manage individual room temp

Yep I know about moisture in timber.
I had a hunter herald 8 in my last home, it was the primary heat source.
Great stove, but the erin seems to throw out way more heat.

Bass Reeves

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

Thanks, didn't realized the Erin has been around that long.

I have OFCH also so havé the Best of both worlds.

Living in the countryside, I was going to buy a load of turf, but it produces way too much Ash.
I might by a trailer load of firewood instead.

Ya there was a bigger stove as well in the Stanley range at the time. The Eirn was on the market 1-2 years at the time it was SD as a 40k BTU stove with 12k going to room and 28k to boiler.

Just be careful with buying timber as it needse to be seasoned. I cut my own and it usually in the shed 2-3 years before use. I use a small bit of smokeless nugget mix, the ovoids and ordinary coal burn too hot and burn out grate too fast. Use your oil to bring the house up to a comfortable heat and the stove to maintain it. Thermostatic rads valves manage individual room temp

Lewis_Benson

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have one installed since 1990. However it was the secondary form of heating. We have an oil Stanley range and that heats the house during the day. Then from autumn we start to light the Eirn and it keeps the house topped up until bedtime. It would struggle to heat the house completely unless we were burning all coal. House is insulated very well but about 200 sq meters.

Problem with it is if you have that level.of fire on it the room you are in will be in the high 20's temp wise unless it is a big open plan room. You could consider a gas or oil condenser boiler to do the heavy lifting and connect it into the system.

Thanks, didn't realized the Erin has been around that long.

I have OFCH also so havé the Best of both worlds.

Living in the countryside, I was going to buy a load of turf, but it produces way too much Ash.
I might by a trailer load of firewood instead.

Bass Reeves

Lewis_Benson wrote: »

People's opinion on the Stanley Erin these days?
Moved into a house which has one, needs a new grate (ordered).

Throws out savage heat to the room, and loads of hot water, keeps rads warm enough, but needs a good fire to keep them hot.

I have one installed since 1990. However it was the secondary form of heating. We have an oil Stanley range and that heats the house during the day. Then from autumn we start to light the Eirn and it keeps the house topped up until bedtime. It would struggle to heat the house completely unless we were burning all coal. House is insulated very well but about 200 sq meters.

Problem with it is if you have that level.of fire on it the room you are in will be in the high 20's temp wise unless it is a big open plan room. You could consider a gas or oil condenser boiler to do the heavy lifting and connect it into the system.

Lewis_Benson

People's opinion on the Stanley Erin these days?
Moved into a house which has one, needs a new grate (ordered).

Throws out savage heat to the room, and loads of hot water, keeps rads warm enough, but needs a good fire to keep them hot.

liam7831

Forge83 wrote: »

I don’t think they make them new anymore, only oil cookers.
Some second hand ones still around though and normally in decent condition.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26177819

Thanks for the reply Forge

Forge83

liam7831 wrote: »

Can you get an oil stove with back boiler ?

I don’t think they make them new anymore, only oil cookers.
Some second hand ones still around though and normally in decent condition.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/26177819

Forge83

blackbox wrote: »

Does anyone know if you install a stove with its own external air supply, do regulations still require you to have a fixed vent in the room?

Technically yes for the safe removal of any carbon monoxide released into the room.As per document J of building regs.