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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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StringerBell

It's more likely the GOP will be torn apart to form a third party than the democrats that this moment imo.

BluePlanet

StringerBell wrote: »

It's more likely the GOP will be torn apart to form a third party than the democrats that this moment imo.

At this moment? Maybe.
Though i'm not familar with any moves towards a 3rd party from GOP quarters.

But the way the 'liberal' and 'centrist' dems are crapping on Bernie supporters online it's pretty mean.
The dems are offering the Left basically nothing, other than our guy isn't Trump.
It might work this election since USA got a good look at who Trump really is.
But once this election is over and Trump is turfed out, then all bets are off.
The Dems are living on borrowed votes, votes they didn't earn via policies.
That's not a sustainable base.

VinLieger

BluePlanet wrote: »

It's happening whether Biden wins or looses.

If he wins he at least gets a chance at keeping the Dem umbrella somewhat united.
IMO it's likely he and his handlers learn the wrong lessons per usual and he looses the Left.

LOL its not gonna happen and even if a split were to occur it would be more likely the republicans than the democrats if Biden wins.

What evidence do you have to back up your claim that its gonna happen whether biden likes it or not?

VinLieger

BluePlanet wrote: »

But the way the 'liberal' and 'centrist' dems are crapping on Bernie supporters online it's pretty mean.

Okay twitter and reddit arent the real world

BluePlanet

VinLieger wrote: »

Okay twitter and reddit arent the real world

The President of the United States literally uses the platform as the primary communications platform.

StringerBell

BluePlanet wrote: »

At this moment? Maybe.
Though i'm not familar with any moves towards a 3rd party from GOP quarters.

But the way the 'liberal' and 'centrist' dems are crapping on Bernie supporters online it's pretty mean.
The dems are offering the Left basically nothing, other than our guy isn't Trump.
It might work this election since USA got a good look at who Trump really is.
But once this election is over and Trump is turfed out, then all bets are off.
The Dems are living on borrowed votes, votes they didn't earn via policies.
That's not a sustainable base.

Rather than get into a debate on that hypothesis I'm just gonna say, sure we'll see what happens.

StringerBell

BluePlanet wrote: »

The President of the United States literally uses the platform as the primary communications platform.

And has argued in court that they are not to be taken seriously.

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They'd need to sort the election and representation system for any hope of a third option to be viable. FPTP is a mess.

BluePlanet

So what proof do you have that the GOP would splinter before the Dems do?

This party is launching after the election.
https://peoplesparty.org/platform/
Every time Biden dismisses the Left he's going to hemorrhage supporters to them.

BluePlanet

StringerBell wrote: »

And has argued in court that they are not to be taken seriously.

Irrelevant. The man will argue that black is white if it helps him duck responsibility.

20Cent

Anyone notice Trump is not getting much endorsement or campaign help from other senior Republicans?
They may be leaving the sinking ship.

StringerBell

BluePlanet wrote: »

Irrelevant. The man will argue that black is white if it helps him duck responsibility.

Then why attach some meaning to him using the medium of Twitter as if it lends any real credibility to the platform itself?

StringerBell

20Cent wrote: »

Anyone notice Trump is not getting much endorsement or campaign help from other senior Republicans?
They may be leaving the sinking ship.

The rats are well and truly into fleeing the sinking ship mode yeah.

Tell me how

20Cent wrote: »

Anyone notice Trump is not getting much endorsement or campaign help from other senior Republicans?
They may be leaving the sinking ship.

I've been saying that for a while.

Kelly-Anne leaving her role to focus on her family.
Rupert Murdoch telling friends that Trump was done for.
It being left to Rudy Giuliani to 'break' the news of Hunter Biden's emails.

All indicators to me of the Trump band wagon being able to unhitch a few carriages due to falling numbers.

BluePlanet

StringerBell wrote: »

Then why attach some meaning to him using the medium of Twitter as if it lends any real credibility to the platform itself?

Do you expect Twitter to vet every tweet on it's platform?
How could any publisher know at any given moment that a poster is "not being serious" here and there?

BluePlanet

Twitter isn't real?

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0229931

We study the impact of president Trump’s Twitter messages on the stock market. We investigate 100 of his tweets that include the name of a publicly listed company over the first two years of his presidency. We also carry out an analysis of the sentiment of the tweets by using textual analysis.

Our results show that president Trump’s tweets about companies have a negative impact on stock market returns when they are revealing strong negative sentiment. The firms themselves usually are not in a position to respond

VinLieger

BluePlanet wrote: »

Twitter isn't real?

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0229931

Not in the way you are basing your theory about how the democrats are going to split due to anonymous nobody accounts being mean about bernie on it, in that case it absolutely is not real.

thecretinhop

SNIP. Do not dump tweets here please.

StringerBell

BluePlanet wrote: »

Do you expect Twitter to vet every tweet on it's platform?
How could any publisher know at any given moment that a poster is "not being serious" here and there?

I have no idea where your going now.

A poster said Twitter and Reddit are not the real world

You said the president of the United States uses it as his main form of communication or something similar, this is only reasonable to do if you are trying to counter the argument and lend some weight to it.

Trump has argued in court (through the justice department) that his tweets are not to be taken seriously, this lessens the weight of him actually using it as a legitimate communication tool. He knows at least what Twitter is.

Now how we get from there to something about me expecting Twitter to vet every post or make some judgement about whether someone is being serious or not I have no clue.

Twitter amplifies the fringe opinions, all online platforms do actually. They are far from the real world though or representative of the majority opinion.

Kermit.de.frog

20Cent wrote: »

Anyone notice Trump is not getting much endorsement or campaign help from other senior Republicans?
They may be leaving the sinking ship.

Can't speak for the rest but Lindsey Graham is in serious trouble in South Carolina. Very competitive race there and the dems have raised a lot of money for that race alone - something over $50 million.

Itssoeasy

So I’ve not been keeping up on the madness that is the American political scene the last few days like I normally do because there are more important things to concentrate on here at home. But the bits I have seen it looks like it’s gotten even more insane if that were possible.

Brussels Sprout

BluePlanet wrote: »

Could work to win this election, yes.
But to reunify the country? I believe it's too late for that.

Maybe it can finally compel the more socialist minded of Dems to break from the party and USA could see a 3rd party that actually represents people instead of corporations.

There's an almost zero chance of this happening due to the USA using the First Pass the Post electoral system. A winner takes all election system does not reward small parties and inevitably leads to 2 large parties.

I'd wager that one of the few things you could get the Republicans and Democrats to agree on these days is that they like the voting system just fine the way it is.

eire4

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

There's an almost zero chance of this happening due to the USA using the First Pass the Post electoral system. A winner takes all election system does not reward small parties and inevitably leads to 2 large parties.

I'd wager that one of the few things you could get the Republicans and Democrats to agree on these days is that they like the voting system just fine the way it is.

Your spot on there. The Republican and Democratic parties will not do anything that would allow any other parties to legitimately challenge them on a national level. They are very happy with the corrupt duopoly on power they have as is. For a country that laughably rants on about "freedom" and the "free market" they have no intention of allowing that to catch on when it comes to power and the wielding of power.

ancapailldorcha

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aloyisious

Looking at the Trump re-election campaign and it's allied partner, the GOP, there seems to be three factions at play there. One is the campaign, the second is his treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin [who seems to have been given a freer hand by the president] and Nancy Pelosi, and the third Mitch McConnell who seems determined NOT to let Nancy and Steve [and by extension Trump] make a deal which can be given the nod by Trump, even if it's after the election. That to me is indicative-confirmation of the split between Trump and McConnell & the GOP.

The campaign looks to be in free flow, if not fall. Today Trump is in Pennsylvania maskless. He's annoyed at the USSC decision to allow that state have 3 extra days to count the ballots after close of polls on the 3rd Nov, said decision also ruled that the writing on the envelopes containing the ballots need not be legible. The USSC decision is reported by CNN to be along conservative V Liberal 4 - 4 lines. One thing is the result was a de facto agreement with Pennsylvania's State supreme court decision against the GOP there. His wife was supposed to be with him in Pennsylvania but pulled out due to a cough. I listened to a recording of Trump speaking today in Pennsylvania and his voice sounded rough, if not hoarse.

He walked out of a CBS interview deal which included a joint follow-up with him, Mike Pence and the network scuppering that as well.

Water John

Has all the appearances of the wheels coming off.

Itssoeasy

aloyisious wrote: »

Looking at the Trump re-election campaign and it's allied partner, the GOP, there seems to be three factions at play there. One is the campaign, the second is his treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin [who seems to have been given a freer hand by the president] and Nancy Pelosi, and the third Mitch McConnell who seems determined NOT to let Nancy and Steve [and by extension Trump] make a deal which can be given the nod by Trump, even if it's after the election. That to me is indicative-confirmation of the split between Trump and McConnell & the GOP.

The campaign looks to be in free flow, if not fall. Today Trump is in Pennsylvania maskless. He's annoyed at the USSC decision to allow that state have 3 extra days to count the ballots after close of polls on the 3rd Nov, said decision also ruled that the writing on the envelopes containing the ballots need not be legible. His wife was supposed to be with him in Pennsylvania but pulled out due to a cough. I listened to a recording of Trump speaking today in Pennsylvania and his voice sounded rough, if not hoarse.

He walked out of a CBS interview deal which included a joint follow-up with him, Mike Pence and the network scuppering that as well.

He’s claiming he’s going to release the interview before it’s air date because of his normal reasons because of fake news and all that.

I see he’s called CNN “dumb bastards” which isn’t really presidential language and just imagine is Obama had used language even close to that and how the opinion hosts heads would collectively explode.

aloyisious

Water John wrote: »

Has all the appearances of the wheels coming off.

I genuinely won't count him down and out until the 7th or 8th Nov by which time the GOP would probably have ceded party defeat of the election results plural to the Democrats. His antics have turned me from an optimist to a pessimistic-optimist.

EltonJohn69

aloyisious wrote: »

I genuinely won't count him down and out until the 7th or 8th Nov by which time the GOP would probably have ceded party defeat of the election results plural to the Democrats. His antics have turned me from an optimist to a pessimistic-optimist.

It’s going to be very close, his core base are true believers nothing can shake their faith in him

dogbert27

Trumps team on the attack against Stahl for not wearing a mask.

Karoline Leavitt raising it.

Kayleigh McEnany posted this picture:

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What you can see clearly is Stahl's mask beside her notes.

I remember when McEnany got the job she promised she would never lie. :rolleyes: