FrancieBrady wrote: » No, YOU brought in an obselete geographical term from a time of colonisation and British dominance, not me. Once again, you are misrepresenting and lying in a desperate bid to win an argument you lost with your claim to be able to distinguish somebody who identifies as Northern Irish from a northern Irish person or somebody who identifies as British. You will notice there is one type there were there is no need to use the word 'identifies'. I am a northern Irish person because of where I was born and that will never change. A person who identifies as British could choose to identify as Irish tomorrow if they wished.
blanch152 wrote: » Francie, people are who they want to be. You can assume what you like about them, as we all do, but you can't impose anything on them. There is no default Irish or default anything else. It is perfectly ok for me to state that anyone born on these islands is British by default of geographical identifier, as it is perfectly ok for you to state that anyone born on this island is Irish by default of geographical identifier. The fact that either of us stating this nonsense doesn't change a thing is passing you by. P.S. It was you who brought in the obsolete idea of identity by geographical default. The fact it backfired on you was funny
Truthvader wrote: » STOP THE MADNESS Just read pages of nonsense and hysteria about who is Irish and who is allowed to be Irish etc etc. Surely by now the penny should be dropping that nationalism of all kinds is a dangerous and irrational construct about as relevant as supporting Man United or Rangers. A toxic comfort blanket for inadequate men (mostly men) Couldn't care less myself and certainly have nothing invested in "being Irish" Luckily I was born here because it is a modern democracy where I can come and go freely in relative safety. The Judiciary and police are basically fair and trustworthy and crime is somewhat under control. After that whether the Queen is nominal head of state or Michael Martin or Humpty Dumpty is irrelevant. Stupid Nationalism has proved a toxic and addictive drug for many, making it OK to murder "the others" or to exclude foreigners/ asylum seekers from the opportunities here simply because they are not "Irish" so not entitled to the same opportunities.Nationalism is essentially the same fantasy informing football hooligans, eejits marching up and down the Garvahy road, Gemma and the crew protesting lockdown plus 30 years of pointless evil inflicted on the people of Northern Ireland by mad people on all sides
blanch152 wrote: » Francie, people are who they want to be.
You can assume what you like about them, as we all do, but you can't impose anything on them. There is no default Irish or default anything else.
It is perfectly ok for me to state that anyone born on these islands is British by default of geographical identifier, as it is perfectly ok for you to state that anyone born on this island is Irish by default of geographical identifier. The fact that either of us stating this nonsense doesn't change a thing is passing you by.
P.S. It was you who brought in the obsolete idea of identity by geographical default. The fact it backfired on you was funny
dundalkfc10 wrote: » You think my dad is a Refugee because he moved 5 mins down the road when he got married. This is the type of folk we are dealing with when discussing the island
blanch152 wrote: » I don't see the word refugee as an insult. You do. That is where we differ. My eyes were opened by that, it exposed an attitude that disgusted me. You obviously have a derogatory view of refugees, which I do not share in any way.
blanch152 wrote: » .
dundalkfc10 wrote: » That's some backtracking. So all the giving out about SF up North, how do you think your own party are getting on up in the 6 counties over Covid?
blanch152 wrote: » I don't have a party, I vote Green at the moment. I would like them to get on the Executive, it would be a very big step towards the normalisation of politics up there and a move away from the two sectarian parties.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » [/B] That's the biggest load of nonsense ever wrote in boards. Congratulations
Truthvader wrote: » Actually the only rational post in about 10 pages
Nobotty wrote: » Some fierce rabbit hole these threads Some people need to post in the gardening forum for a while I think
Bishop of hope wrote: » He is worse, a blow in, nó better Irish insult than "blow in".
FrancieBrady wrote: » A 'refugee' by definition is somebody who needs help and shelter, equating them to somebody moving around their own country is wrong. Totally wrong, it is sn attempt to other somebody or to mark them as different. A 'blow in' is just somebody from a different place.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The British Isles is a long obsolete term and nobody uses it officially anymore.
Truthvader wrote: » Nationalism is essentially the same fantasy informing football hooligans, eejits marching up and down the Garvahy road, Gemma and the crew protesting lockdown plus 30 years of pointless evil inflicted on the people of Northern Ireland by mad people on all sides
markodaly wrote: » According to whom? You?
Officially, the British isles are still being used.... the island of Ireland is part of the British isles, is it not? You can't just dismiss the facts Francie when it doesn't suit your argument.
But I suppose its better than claiming newborns and kids as part of your own tribe. Indeed it is a step up from some PIRA jack off murdering them with some bombs and defending said murders with all the gusto of a 'good' republican.
markodaly wrote: » This. I have always said, the type of Nationalists who defend SF and PIRA actions are in the same vein of those like UKIP/BNP/Combat18 that they hate. Two sides of the same ugly ignorant coin.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where is it used 'officially'. The Enc Brittanica is a commercial product.
YOU are the ONLY one blathering about 'tribes'. What nonsense.
markodaly wrote: » The British-Irish Council for one. Its used more often then you think.
Hey Francie, I am not the one claiming all newborns born on the island of Ireland are 'Irish' until they grow up... You should revert back to your 'invasion' of the north idea...
Truthvader wrote: » Yep all Nationalism appeals to small minded insular inadequate men who cannot accept the common humanity in all and need to be in a "gang" to have any sense of self worth
FrancieBrady wrote: » Where? You really should have contacted HQ on this one...the Irish government will not use the term.
Yeh...they have no status at all, isn't that right Mark. To counter the claim you need to tell us what they are.
markodaly wrote: » The British-Irish council uses that term.
among the peoples of these islands
Why do they have to be anything? Why does it matter to you that we need to hoist some sectarian identity to newborn and kids? It's weird and odd that this is a fetish of yours. First the obsession with Leo, now this obsession about the self-identification of newborns and children. As I said, weird.
smurgen wrote: » Is that why fat leo and the lads tell us to put on the Green jersey whenever they want the stoogies to step up for something they or there d4 set wouldn't do themselves?
Truthvader wrote: » Yep, probably. Trying to save all lives including thickos who have to be appealed to at whatever level the message is likely to get through. Sorry Leo is so fat.
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