FrancieBrady wrote: » Why be in danger of making a mistake blanch...go with the partitionist inferiority complex, self deprecating choice and assume we are all British 'again'. BTW I can guarantee you if you travelled the north of this country assuming people as Northern Irish and not Irish, you would find more than a few 'outliers'. You once again reveal you know little to nothing about the place.
blanch152 wrote: » Sorry now Francie, it was you who introduced the concept of the geographical identifier, which ended up making us all British.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Isn't it great we can have this convo about cuxh trivial matters now we have Covid under control.
blanch152 wrote: » We are on the Sinn Fein thread, why discuss anything other than trivia? After all, they will collapse Stormont becasue they disagree with an Irish Language Act but not for disagreement on Covid.
grayzer75 wrote: » Being Irish is the birth right of every person born on the island of Ireland whether you or your fellow west brits like it or not.
There would be very few people looking to change an Irish passport for a British passport but under the terms of the GFA
a load of your fellow loyalists switched the other way and got themselves Irish passports.
As it says in page 3 of the Irish passport: It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes it's islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation.
My 8 year old was born in county Armagh and is 100% Irish as is his mum who was born in county Down.
markodaly wrote: » Being British is also a birthright for every person born in the North. One is not better nor holds any supremacy over the other. Check the GFA. Yes, under the terms of the GFA... which is the point that SF/IRA agreed to. Now, they want to rewrite the agreement. Fellow loyalists? LOL, come off it! :D Yes, people in the North can have an Irish passport, if they so wish, but the can also opt for a British passport, or both.... That is lovely, but I guess his mum made that choice for him.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » So people from the North if they choose, are Irish. Glad that debates over
markodaly wrote: » That is lovely, but I guess his mum made that choice for him.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I am NOT deciding anyone's 'identity' Mark.
If his place of birth says Israel, then yes.
The GFA states the 'right' to identify as you wish. Can you identify as YOU wish as a newborn? No, of course you can't.
You are the only one talking of the archaic notion of 'tribes' and 'claiming'. I have done no such thing.
All I have done is give them the geographical signifier of their place of birth.
So far your significant answer is 'babies born on the island of Ireland are 'nothing' until such time as they can choose an identity. Or does that doozie just apply to northern Unionists?
stefanovich wrote: » Everyone on the Island is Irish.
markodaly wrote: » More supremacy nonsense.
grayzer75 wrote: » How so?
markodaly wrote: » Dare I say there are many a Pole, Latvian, Nigeran, Brit, American, Brazillian, to name a few who are living in Ireland who will reject all notions that they are 'Irish', especially but some pasty white Irish lad who wouldn't know his arse from his elbow. This coercive tribe accumulation is nonsense. Its willy-waving bull****. If the British, or the English or the French or whoever were doing the same I would call it out as well.
markodaly wrote: » I am going to count to three.... Hilarious. Jamie Heaslip is Israeli, not Irish..... who knew!! :D:D His father was an officer in the Irish defence forces, hence his stay there. Correct, newborns would not have the maturity of cognitive ability do decide for themselves. Oh but you have a raging hard-on, arguing with increasing force and desperation that newborn children in the North are Irish... before they can decide to be British. That is your position, which is not at all written down in the GFA. Being born on the Island of Ireland, does not confer nationality or identity. Unionist can argue, correctly by your logic that being born in the North confers Britishness. That is the same argument. It applies across the board. Why does this matter so much to you? Why are you acting out in such supremacist terms?
grayzer75 wrote: » They're default Irish unless they identify as something else.
stefanovich wrote: » People from Northern Ireland with UK passports are also Irish.
markodaly wrote: » What the **** are you on about? Where does it say that anywhere? Any legislation that says that? Immigration papers, laws or legislation? People are just making **** up.
FrancieBrady wrote: » No part of Ireland was ever Britain Mark...know your history. The name of the island has not changed.
Irrespective of Northern Ireland's constitutional status within the United Kingdom, or part of a united Ireland, the right of "the people of Northern Ireland" to "identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both" (as well as their right to hold British or Irish citizenship or both) was recognised. By the words "people of Northern Ireland" the Agreement meant "all persons born in Northern Ireland and having, at the time of their birth, at least one parent who is a British citizen, an Irish citizen or is otherwise entitled to reside in Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residence.
Get this straight before continuing to embarrass yourself, the GFA gives the 'right to IDENTIFY as British or Irish to those born on the island of Ireland.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Why do you care what they do? You obvs dont like SF and call supporters of theirs such names as rufugees if they moved down from the 6 counties.
markodaly wrote: » Ireland is part of the British Isles. BTW, NOWHERE in the GFA is 'being British given as a birthright'. You cannot even get the basics right. To the people of 'Northern' Ireland, not the Island of Ireland.... Here, ill quote it again or you. You are making a complete arse of yourself Francie when you cannot get the basics right.
grayzer75 wrote: » Don't get upset. If you are born on the island of Ireland you are by default Irish. You can then choose to take the nationality of a different nation if you wish.
Yeah_Right wrote: » All this talk about passports is quite amusing to me. Some people seem to hold passports as sacred documents showing your true heritage. For me, they're paperwork that allows me avoid visas. I have a British passport because one of my parents was born in the UK. They moved to NZ before they started school and would consider themselves 100% kiwi. They got me and my siblings UK passports when we were kids purely because one day we might want to travel, live, work in Europe. I'm glad they did but none of us identify as Brits. I'm getting an Irish passport because of Brexit but I'll never identify as Irish. It is simply a bit of paper that will make my life easier when travelling round Europe. Obviously its a low priority at the moment. Thanks covid. I've got various mates from NZ, Australia and SA living here in Ireland on different passports (Irish, UK, German, Dutch, Greek and Italian) and not one of them identifies with that country.
blanch152 wrote: » That has no basis at all in law, international treaty or even geographical identifier (on which Francie made a fool of himself already today, turning us all into Brits). We have signed an international treaty - the GFA - which distinguishes between "the people of Northern Ireland" and "the people of Ireland". You can't get away from that. The GFA saw us surrender our territorial claim, recognise the people of Northern Ireland as distinct from the people of Ireland, and concede the principle of British sovereignty over the six north-eastern counties on this island.
blanch152 wrote: » That has no basis at all in law, international treaty or even geographical identifier (on which Francie made a fool of himself already today, turning us all into Brits).
