EVs should cost less to NCT

19-10-2020 4:04pm #1

Just putting this out there:
In Germany an EV doesn't have to be tested for exhaust emissions so the cost of getting the equivalent of an NCT cert every two years is lower. In actuality it is roughly 50% lower.
If the objective of Government is to incentivise EV ownership the cost of a NCT test should be reduced accordingly.
No ODB check, no connecting emission measuring equipment. Less effort is involved in testing an EV for roadworthiness.
I'd mail the Minister but for the fear that he'd put up the price of an NCT for poor people driving old ICE vehicles...unintended consequences and all that.

frozenfrozen · 19-10-2020 4:06pm

they'll never reduce EV costs only put up ICE until EV looks cheaper. They're scratching their heads about what they will do when everyone is on the low motor tax bands and no longer buying petrol/diesel

daheff · 19-10-2020 4:08pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

they'll never reduce EV costs only put up ICE until EV looks cheaper. They're scratching their heads about what they will do when everyone is on the low motor tax bands and no longer buying petrol/diesel

the problem is that no matter which way they go, they'll be dependent on the additional revenue and will run into problems when ice revenues dry up

jimmycrackcorm · 19-10-2020 4:09pm

Emissions are only one check of many. However, the test still uses up a timeslot regardless.
It's a bit like suggesting that you should pay less to see a doctor for something minor vs more serious.

19-10-2020 4:22pm

Why would the Germans do it then if the costs were all the same?

19-10-2020 4:33pm

daheff wrote: »

the problem is that no matter which way they go, they'll be dependent on the additional revenue and will run into problems when ice revenues dry up

Since when should the public be giving a private company additional revenue. The Government only get the VAT on the service provided. NCT is a service provided not a tax. There is a standard rate VAT rate on an NCT check.
https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-rates/search-vat-rates/N/national-car-testing-nct-motor-vehicles.aspx

unkel · 20-10-2020 9:45am

I can see where you are coming from. My EV was NCTd yesterday and it took considerably less time than any of my ICE vehicles before.

That said, a comprehensive, independent, pretty objective safety and compliance test for just €54? You won't hear me complaining. TÜV in Germany is over €100

Miscreant · 20-10-2020 10:25am

It is not just EVs that forego the Emissions test... I have a Toyota Hybrid and gone through 3 NCTs. Not once has it been checked for emissions but I don't expect a lower fee for the test as a result. I think it is a good way to have your car checked out for relatively little money.

20-10-2020 12:29pm

unkel wrote: »

I can see where you are coming from. My EV was NCTd yesterday and it took considerably less time than any of my ICE vehicles before.

That said, a comprehensive, independent, pretty objective safety and compliance test for just €54? You won't hear me complaining. TÜV in Germany is over €100

TÜV including HU and AU lasts two years for cars over 10 years old in Germany, not one year as in Ireland.

unkel · 20-10-2020 12:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

TÜV including HU and AU lasts two years for cars over 10 years old in Germany, not one year as in Ireland.

How many EVs are there in Ireland that are over 10 years old?

3?

Clutching at straws there, man? :pac:

20-10-2020 1:05pm

How many will there be. Old cars which are taxed based on the displacement of their engines are still being crucified 12 years later. The wheels of progress turn slowly in Ireland.

Based on the thought process of some here in this sub-forum a guy going in for a short back and sides should be charged as much as a Woman looking for a Bayalage treatment.

Gumbo · 20-10-2020 1:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

TÜV including HU and AU lasts two years for cars over 10 years old in Germany, not one year as in Ireland.

€100 for 2 years in Germany.
€108 for 2 years in Ireland.

We are 8% more expensive.

20-10-2020 1:25pm

Gumbo wrote: »

€100 for 2 years in Germany.
€108 for 2 years in Ireland.

We are 8% more expensive.

No, it is roughly €55 for an EV in Germany every two years.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants · 20-10-2020 1:28pm

The NCT is only €50.

Even if it were free to NCT an EV the savings would be minimal. Considering the initial cost of the things.

They'd be better off abolishing VAT and VRT and maybe free motor tax.

liamog · 20-10-2020 1:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Based on the thought process of some here in this sub-forum a guy going in for a short back and sides should be charged as much as a Woman looking for a Bayalage treatment.

The NCT for an EV takes around 15 mins, the NCT for an ICE vehicle takes around 20 mins, it's like saying a scissor cut and a razor cut should have different prices, most barbers just charge the same as a gent's haircut.

Lumen · 20-10-2020 1:31pm

A small discount on the EV NCT would be important symbolically as it would demonstrate that EVs are simpler and have less to go wrong.

20-10-2020 1:33pm

liamog wrote: »

The NCT for an EV takes around 15 mins, the NCT for an ICE vehicle takes around 20 mins, it's like saying a scissor cut and a razor cut should have different prices, most barbers just charge the same as a gent's haircut.

Should EVs be cross subsidizing ICE cars and the testing equipment for ICE cars.
Based on your top-of-the-head (sic) figures the NCT for an EV should cost €41,25.
The €13,75 pays for an quite a quantity of night rate electricity.

20-10-2020 1:35pm

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

The NCT is only €50.

https://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/Your-Vehicle-/Booking-an-NCT--Test-Fees/
€55 euro once the VAT rate goes back up.

Gumbo · 20-10-2020 1:59pm

liamog wrote: »

The NCT for an EV takes around 15 mins, the NCT for an ICE vehicle takes around 20 mins, it's like saying a scissor cut and a razor cut should have different prices, most barbers just charge the same as a gent's haircut.

Funny you say that.
My local barbers is dearer for a scissors cut than a razor cut. And a skin fade is dearer again as it takes longer.

Basically a short back and sides is €3 more expensive that a 3 all over.

unkel · 20-10-2020 2:05pm

I'll do you a 3 all over for a fiver. Takes 60 seconds

liamog · 20-10-2020 2:15pm

Do I pay more if I turn up in an combustion vehicle?

unkel · 20-10-2020 2:24pm

I'd use my diesel hedge cutter on you. Same price but you'll have to sign a waiver

RandomViewer · 20-10-2020 2:30pm

unkel wrote: »

I can see where you are coming from. My EV was NCTd yesterday and it took considerably less time than any of my ICE vehicles before.

That said, a comprehensive, independent, pretty objective safety and compliance test for just €54? You won't hear me complaining. TÜV in Germany is over €100

Shouldn't have, with the exception of the emissions check which is a few minutes,everything
Is the same, brakes,steering, suspension, lights.

RandomViewer · 20-10-2020 2:38pm

Lumen wrote: »

A small discount on the EV NCT would be important symbolically as it would demonstrate that EVs are simpler and have less to go wrong.

But they aren't ,all the NCT checks for brakes,steeringand suspension, stay the same, a n EV is just a car with a electric motor and battery instead of an engine and fuel tank, both of these will have to checked for loose cables,damage etc

RandomViewer · 20-10-2020 2:41pm

Gumbo wrote: »

Funny you say that.
My local barbers is dearer for a scissors cut than a razor cut. And a skin fade is dearer again as it takes longer.

Basically a short back and sides is €3 more expensive that a 3 all over.

With the exception of student s rate mines a flat rate

RandomViewer · 20-10-2020 2:43pm

With the extra weight maybe EVs should be tested yearly like older cars,

Lockheed · 20-10-2020 2:46pm

The cost of the NCT is so marginal compared to the overall cost of car ownership in Ireland, I highly doubt it'd be worth it, TUV in germany is much more stringent and severe then the NCT anyway so not a great comparison

timsey tiger · 07-10-2022 8:37am

Can't figure out how to delete this on phone. :(

slave1 · 07-10-2022 9:01am

simplicity, blended average cost across all vehicles, some take less time, some take longer, one (very reasonable) cost for all

ted1 · 07-10-2022 9:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114981950#Comment_114981950

Less equipment needed, less time required. No need for ventilation to clear exhaust fumes, big saving. So therefore it should be cheaper

creedp · 07-10-2022 10:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119711900#Comment_119711900

Reminds me of the ground floor apt owner agitatating for a reduced mgt fee because he doesn't use the lift.

ted1 · 07-10-2022 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712006#Comment_119712006

Proper order.

the_amazing_raisin · 07-10-2022 11:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/114993985#Comment_114993985

Yeah I kind of feel this is the key. Irish people have a bizarre approach to money saving, people buying PHEVs and running them like pure petrol cars to save road tax

So the appearance of something being cheaper is almost more important than the actual savings. Especially since most Irish drivers seem to think of the NCT as just another tax rather than a road worthiness check

In this way it's a lot like the toll discount. I think for many EV drivers the discount probably saves only around €50 per year, but the attraction of saving money on tolls is much greater than the actual value

creedp · 07-10-2022 12:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712357#Comment_119712357

At least the motor tax and toll savings are immediately relisable. I'm finding it more difficult to see how an even free Nct, providing a whopping €55 (yes even after vat reversal) saving after 4 year and every 2 years thereafter, would cause someone to rush out and lash out €50k on an EV.

Seems to me that purchasing an EV encourage some people to be irrationally in need of making savings, however small, from their decision. Or maybe they simply like rubbing ICE drivers nose in it. Ah no surely they couldn't be that pithy.

Buddy Bubs · 07-10-2022 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712529#Comment_119712529

The cost of buying, owning and running a car is not just the headline purchase price. New cars cost a lot but thats true for EV and ICE alike.

It is the following, for as long as you own and run it.

Depreciation - the older and cheaper the car the lower this will be. EVs generally doing well here as far as new cars go, but older cars will be less for sure.

Financing costs if applicable - higher as the value goes up

Insurance - in the lap of the gods what different cars cost here

Tax - lowest on EVs, not huge saving but a bit

Fuel - lowest on EVs, could be significant.

Repairs and maintenance, including NCT and pre nct work - lowest on EVs, could be significant savings over ICE cars

Tolls - lowest on EVs, not much but a bit

creedp · 07-10-2022 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712258#Comment_119712258

Time to get out the placards

UID0 · 07-10-2022 12:33pm

Should a 4WD have a reduced price NCT as well, as they don't use the rollers?

ted1 · 07-10-2022 1:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119712566#Comment_119712566

nah, I’d never buy a place with a management Company Or fees.

EVs should cost less to NCT

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