Arthur Daley wrote: » Population density. Ireland sits about midway at 112 out of 200 countries. Some of the places outside the EU where migrants are coming from already have lower population densities than Ireland. E.g. Somalia, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Iran etc Yet Coveney & Co. have their Gombeen vanity project
Patrick2010 wrote: » Coveney seems particularly keen on increasing our population from increased immigration, legal or otherwise. Anyone know why this is? If we hadn’t such a liberal immigration policy would our housing and health service be so strained now?
Deleted User wrote: » ...And to be honest, in spite of living/travelling to so many countries, I've yet to see a truly multicultural society, except, perhaps, that of Singapore. ...
jmayo wrote: » But you forgot to mention it is forced multiculturalism, forced integration in Singapore. Singapore only exists because Malaysia did not want such a diverse city in the first place. And the original rulers of Singapore realised that to keep a lid on all the different ethnic groups, all the different religions, that they would have to bring in rules and laws to specifically force them to live and learn together. No other country has the willingness to go that far and most other countries, especially their liberals, scoff at the tough but very necessary measures employed by Singapore.
Deleted User wrote: » I didn't forget to mention anything about Singapore. It was just the only example of where multiculturalism actually happens. Sure, it's forced. Any successful and stable country where there is a diverse cultural population tends to be very strict/authoritarian in how they manage the environment. And they have to be... otherwise they'd be ripped apart with ethnic violence.
twinytwo wrote: » But the powers that be would have you convinced that that couldn't possibly happen here, cause sure everyone loves ireland
Strumms wrote: » The average family in Ireland actually is 3-4 persons in the same household.https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/popfacts/PopFacts_2017-2.pdf In Africa just as an example it’s 5-6. The African people have larger families, more children. Quite simply as cold as it sounds that’s more of our tax payers money in the long run that gets diverted to help immigrants and their families. Bigger more expensive housing. More cash, benefits etc. When I needed rehabilitate help for a physical medical issue the pot was empty. 20 plus years a tax payer but hey Strumms no ! But get off a plane from a different continent ? Accommodation for you and your family, advice for you and your family, cash for you and your family, clothing for you and your family and whatever else. Doctor, physio, pram, clothing, house, apartment... you got it, when I needed something for the first time EVER having paid tax for two decades.... nahhhh no funding available... MY politics have always been left of center but that’s when I just said ENOUGH. When opportunity, funding, kindness, entitlements and help is lacking for the taxpayers the residents and citizens of this country yet those who just step off the plane can go cap in hand an receive everything... That’s when it’s time to say enough. When opportunity and help is being denied to our own taxpayers because it’s being given to people from outside the state ? Instead... ? That’s a big problem, that’s treasonous. If a wife said to a husband, “hey I think with our spare money we could do with buying a car, I’m sick of the bus drag every morning into town for work.”.... he replies...” yeah we have the cash, but I’d rather give most of it to this new family across the road who just moved in here, I gave them our lawnmower yesterday but I’d like to get them a holiday”... wife would say, “ok I’ll get the divorce papers printed.” Quite rightly to. Loyalty, to us and our own. FIRST.
TomTomTim wrote: » Are you joking? Every dissenter in this threads has shown all the traits mentioned.
kildare lad wrote: » Multiculturalism is a guilt by lefties who think their country is to white . How I ever managed to get by growing up in the 80's and 90's without multiculturalism and diversity must be a miracle. Whoever thinks bringing in loads of people from 3rd world countries is somehow going to be a benefit for the native taxpayers needs their heads examined. Nearly all couldn't support themselves if it wasn't for the government paying them HAP/ social housing , children's allowance, medical card, unemployment benefits. And yet we need them to pay are pensions in the future , they can't even pay for themselves never mind contribute towards the economy here .
Strumms wrote: » MY politics have always been left of center but that’s when I just said ENOUGH. When opportunity, funding, kindness, entitlements and help is lacking for the taxpayers the residents and citizens of this country yet those who just step off the plane can go cap in hand an receive everything... That’s when it’s time to say enough. When opportunity and help is being denied to our own taxpayers because it’s being given to people from outside the state ? Instead... ? That’s a big problem, that’s treasonous.
jmayo wrote: » Yeah but klaz, you will find one of the multiculturalists quote you and claim if Singapore can do then why can't we. But you are right throughout the world diverse cultural and ethnic populations are most often held in check by authoritarian regimes and once that goes then all hell often breaks lose. Just see everywhere from Syria, Iraq in the last few years to even an European state Yugoslavia in 90s.
Arthur Daley wrote: » The people pushing open borders on us from a minority standpoint are Fake Left Traditional working class communities, the true left (pre- Blair), men like Tony Benn and Union leaders of the past understood the need to protect a country's borders and workers wages. Sometime in the 90s the left took the shilling, the Fake Left was born and has actively worked to undermine their own working classes every since. They are virtually at war with the working class in places like inner city Dublin and the UK cities at this stage.
Bambi wrote: » Benn was always an internationalist. You're kidding yourself if you think the "true" left had any nationalist ethos in our lifetime.
Zookey123 wrote: » Yeah the 80's and the 90's was a much better time to be alive. "where my country gone" am I right?
Zookey123 wrote: » Oh please.. are you seriously going to tell me posters here don't get frothy in the mouth every time an immigrant is mentioned? As I have stated already these anonymous online forums are not the best places to be making snap judgments on a large group of people.
Internationalism is a political principle that advocates greater political or economic cooperation among states and nations.[1] It is associated with other political movements and ideologies, but can also reflect a doctrine, belief system, or movement in itself.
Deleted User wrote: » Do I get "frothy in the mouth every time an immigrant is mentioned"? I don't believe I do. Care to show me where I have? "to be making snap judgments on a large group of people"... I love this statement.. care to apply your own logic to yourself? As you have just applied such a judgment to a large group of posters.
kildare lad wrote: » I don't know about you but the 90s was a great time to grow up here. Thank God we took in loads of immigrants from Africa in the late 90s or we wouldn't have had the Celtic tiger years. I actually don't have a problem with immigration, I work with people from different parts eastern Europe , good people hard working but do I feel empowered or more culturally aware , no I don't . Do they feel more enlightened , I'd doubt it . We work , chat on our lunch break and go home . Do they count as multiculturalism as they're white. Can you give me a list of the benefits of multiculturalism ??
Zookey123 wrote: » Hey Klaz, You can't be serious, have you read through this thread? (or any other thread involving immigrants on here). Most posters aren't actually interested in a discussion it is mainly immigrant bashing (Most not all). To say that most of this hate and anger is coming from the left is laughable.
You can do a cost benefit analysis of having a more diverse society (shown to be of benefit in the workforce).
Zookey123 wrote: » I have done so multiple times it's like going around in a circle at this point. Culture and race are not the same thing. You can do a cost benefit analysis of having a more diverse society (shown to be of benefit in the workforce). It is also important to note that culture is not static but ever evolving and certain cultures can have a positive impact on others. I agree some cultures have certain elements that go against our western values and this is non negotiable. Intolerance can not be met with tolerance. The left has always stood for that.
Zookey123 wrote: » Hey Klaz, You can't be serious, have you read through this thread? (or any other thread involving immigrants on here). Most posters aren't actually interested in a discussion it is mainly immigrant bashing (Most not all). To say that most of this hate and anger is coming from the left is laughable. Do you not agree that making a snap judgement on a large group of people based on data collected off of an anonymous online forum is poor practice? How am I doing the same? Calling out individual posters biased views (perhaps due to my own bias) is not making a snap judgement on any large group (if you can call the group of right wing posters on boards that).
Do you not agree that making a snap judgement on a large group of people based on data collected off of an anonymous online forum is poor practice? How am I doing the same? Calling out individual posters biased views (perhaps due to my own bias) is not making a snap judgement on any large group (if you can call the group of right wing posters on boards that).
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » I do not care what colour, sex creed or whatever they are, its the impact of so many people coming here crippling the economy the lefties are trying to make this a colour issue which it is NOT
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