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Just starting to look into this now though probably wont be purchasing for a while unless a bargain pops up.

I know there are a number of options out there for this but many like the Nest for example appear to be mostly based around running automatically depending on temp etc or learning your usage.

What I want to know is which one is best to use like a traditional timer? I'd want to set a schedule for heating and water to come on and off and also boost it if I felt like it. Learning my usage or using the thermostat to turn on/off the heating is not something I would really use.

I do want to be able to boost the heat and water remotely so the place is warm before arriving home and have a nice interface for setting timers using an app as we change around our water and heating timing quite often and its a pain having to do this using the poor user interfaces and controls on a traditional heating timer.

I'm assuming they can all be used in this way but I wonder if any device in particular is more geared towards this type of usage?

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south

championc wrote: »

You should only need one Smart Thermostat for each existing Thermostat, and the new thermostats should be straight swaps.

However, you may need an extension krt in order to control the Hot Water.

TRV's are paired to Smart Thermostats by Tado. You can ask them to pair specific TRV's to specific Smart Thermostats

Unfortunately Tado got back to me and said
"
The controller is not compatible and you won't be able to replace it with tado°."

They asked for photos of the thermostats and said "The thermostat is compatible and you will need the Wired Thermostat Starter Kit to replace this"
I asked would I be able to control hot water with the wired kit and they replied No.
I think I'll have to send the whole thing back.

championc

south wrote: »

I ended up panic buying a Tado° Wireless Smart Thermostat Starter Kit V3+ with Hot Water Control plus a tado° Wired Smart Thermostat - Add-on during the last few minutes of the prime sale the other day and never checked if it was compatible!
My system set up is
Boiler- Ideal logic system s24ie
Controller - EPH controls R37-HW E1820c
Thermostat - EPH B1831
Second thermostat- same as above.
Both thermostats are wired thermostats.
I've 3 zones in my house, upstairs downstairs, and hot water.
I'm thinking now that I should've gotten the wired starter kit?
I'm just wondering if I need to return it all, some of it or will it work with this set up?

You should only need one Smart Thermostat for each existing Thermostat, and the new thermostats should be straight swaps.

However, you may need an extension krt in order to control the Hot Water.

TRV's are paired to Smart Thermostats by Tado. You can ask them to pair specific TRV's to specific Smart Thermostats

savemejebus

deezell wrote: »

Terminals 4, 3 and 6 on your device's wiring block to terminals 1. 2 and 3 on the Drayton wall plate.

Thanks Deezell, that makes sense, will have to have a look at the wiring block and see that it's that straightforward. Haven't been able to see any actual pics of the ESI wiring block online.

deezell

savemejebus wrote: »

Bought a Drayton Wiser Kit 3 in the amazon sales last week and now need to see about replacing our ESI ES3247B (2 zones and hw) controls with it.

How complicated a job would this be? Not sure if it's a sparks or plumber i'd call if i decide to not go the DIY route.

Any advice?

Terminals 4, 3 and 6 on your device's wiring block to terminals 1. 2 and 3 on the Drayton wall plate.
ESI

Drayton

south

I ended up panic buying a Tado° Wireless Smart Thermostat Starter Kit V3+ with Hot Water Control plus a tado° Wired Smart Thermostat - Add-on during the last few minutes of the prime sale the other day and never checked if it was compatible!
My system set up is
Boiler- Ideal logic system s24ie
Controller - EPH controls R37-HW E1820c
Thermostat - EPH B1831
Second thermostat- same as above.
Both thermostats are wired thermostats.
I've 3 zones in my house, upstairs downstairs, and hot water.
I'm thinking now that I should've gotten the wired starter kit?
I'm just wondering if I need to return it all, some of it or will it work with this set up?

savemejebus

Bought a Drayton Wiser Kit 3 in the amazon sales last week and now need to see about replacing our ESI ES3247B (2 zones and hw) controls with it.

How complicated a job would this be? Not sure if it's a sparks or plumber i'd call if i decide to not go the DIY route.

Any advice?

maxamillius

championc wrote: »

No buttons for any manual override.

What I don't know is whether your last saved schedule is stored within your home setup. It would be nice to think that it is.

If it stored the last program then I suppose you would be ok?!

maxamillius

Bit of a nuisance should you lose your internet connectivity for any reason, potentially left without heating.

I’m a sparks so could put it back to original setup pretty quickly, however for the normal person it could be a disaster

deezell

championc wrote: »

No buttons for any manual override.

What I don't know is whether your last saved schedule is stored within your home setup. It would be nice to think that it is.

IIRC, You need the internet for the stat to respond manually, but I think this is changed with the V3+ bridge, as this is accessible to Apple home kit, which will address the stat on a point to point basis. I must experiment and see, but I have the V2 bridge.

championc

maxamillius wrote: »

With Tado, should you loose internet connection, is it possible to turn CH on it off? Is there a manual on/off button on the wireless receiver/extension kit?

No buttons for any manual override.

What I don't know is whether your last saved schedule is stored within your home setup. It would be nice to think that it is.

maxamillius

With Tado, should you loose internet connection, is it possible to turn CH on it off? Is there a manual on/off button on the wireless receiver/extension kit?

deezell

Bluefoam wrote: »

Lol, well that settles that

There is a simple solution to your problem.

Bluefoam

kaisersose77 wrote: »

The Nest Temperaturs sensors (if this is what you are talking about - https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9248154) dont work in Europe unless things have changed.

Lol, well that settles that

kaisersose77

The Nest Temperaturs sensors (if this is what you are talking about - https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9248154) dont work in Europe unless things have changed.

Bluefoam

championc wrote: »

So how does this allow you to control the bathroom only ?

I don't use the other radiators... They are turned off at the valve. I just want a temperature reading from the bathroom to provide accurate information to the thermostat

championc

Bluefoam wrote: »

Thanks, I'd been though that page a couple of times, but missed this:

That's perfect, exactly what I needed to know & exactly how I need it to work.

Thanks!

So how does this allow you to control the bathroom only ?

Bluefoam

Clareman wrote: »

https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9243487?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=e
I think that has all the details.

Thanks, I'd been though that page a couple of times, but missed this:

If you’re using Google Nest Temperature Sensors in your home, your thermostat will continue to follow its usual temperature schedule no matter which sensor is active. Your thermostat will always heat or cool to the scheduled temperature where the active sensor is located.

That's perfect, exactly what I needed to know & exactly how I need it to work.

Thanks!

Bluefoam

Clareman wrote: »

https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/9700013?hl=en

I think that's what you are looking for is it???

If you can give us the details of your heating, how many zones, if the bathroom is its own zone, what radiator controls you have in the bathroom, etc etc

Reading your posts I think you are trying to heat 1 room at a specific time while leaving the rest of the house unaffected, what you could do is turn off the other radiators in the zone and have the bathroom come on with the criteria you want, without something like a Tado that'll mean you will have to manually control the radiators.

I have a two zone system + water. Thermostats in upstairs bedroom and living room. Living room thermostat also does hot water, which is mostly provided by solar.

I want all radiators on the first floor turned off. I just want the radiator/towel rail in the bathroom to turn on in the morning for one hour before anyone gets up. I can place the sensor in the bathroom...

My question was, considering the sensor has specific schedules for it to be active, does that mean that the heating is also limited to those schedules? I believe the answer is no... While the sensor is limited to a set schedule, that does not effect the heating schedule.

Example: the sensor is activated from 9pm - 7am (this just means that the sensor is providing a temperature reading to the thermostat/controller). But the heating does not have to be on from 9pm to 7am. I want the heating on from 6am - 7am.

Clareman

Bluefoam wrote: »

Nope. I just want to add a temperature sensor to the bathroom and had a question regarding scheduling.

https://support.google.com/googlenest/answer/9243487?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=e
I think that has all the details.

Clareman

Bluefoam wrote: »

Thanks, that sounds lovely. I already have a Nest system and its great. I just have a specify question about scheduling when using a sensor...

https://support.google.com/googlenest/thread/9700013?hl=en

I think that's what you are looking for is it???

If you can give us the details of your heating, how many zones, if the bathroom is its own zone, what radiator controls you have in the bathroom, etc etc

Reading your posts I think you are trying to heat 1 room at a specific time while leaving the rest of the house unaffected, what you could do is turn off the other radiators in the zone and have the bathroom come on with the criteria you want, without something like a Tado that'll mean you will have to manually control the radiators.

Bluefoam

Clareman wrote: »

Right, so you don't want to control different radiators, you want to control 1 independently of the rest based on 1 sensor on a schedule which isn't available on the standard config of the sensor. I'd say a quick mail to their support team will get you your answer

Nope. I just want to add a temperature sensor to the bathroom and had a question regarding scheduling.

Clareman

Bluefoam wrote: »

Ask a simple question... I'm not trying to control different radiators around the house. All I want to do is place a temperature sensor in the bathroom... And I'm just looking for some more details on how the scheduling works.

Your assumptions are incorrect, but I do appreciate you taking the time.

Right, so you don't want to control different radiators, you want to control 1 independently of the rest based on 1 sensor on a schedule which isn't available on the standard config of the sensor. I'd say a quick mail to their support team will get you your answer

Clareman

Bluefoam wrote: »

It's Google Nest. It's a good system, I just have a specific question about additional sensors. You don't seem to understand the subject, but your comment is super helpful.

I have a physical radiator in the room! And a smart thermostat. And a €30 sensor.. You want me to replace that with a smart socket and a fan heater and get an electrician to wire it through my ceiling?

Thanks both. But I'm just looking for an answer to my question. Silly comments tend to derail the tread and the actual question can get lost...

Jeeze didn't think that it was that silly. You can't have a normal socket in a bathroom so you'll need to plug in anything outside of the room hence the suggestion to put it in the ceiling and assuming that you have a socket in the attic you wouldn't need an electrican (assuming that you can wire a plug but that's just silly),by having it on a smart plug means you can control it remotely if you want.

Something like this https://www.screwfix.ie/p/blyss-wall-mounted-dry-inertia-ceramic-heater-2000w/437FH?gclid=CjwKCAjwrKr8BRB_EiwA7eFapumHGlyTDrgMcxAjcwxT9e0ZjVjeLvrfGyoTP4S_ONp57n2w_wgjxhoC0SYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds tends to work well,just because you have other stuff in the room doesn't mean that it'll be the best, as you said already the thermost isn't suitable for what you want so something will need to change anyway.

Bluefoam

championc wrote: »

What is believe I'm getting at is that what you appear to have is not matching what you want. So I have simply suggested to you as the required kit for what you want to do.

So essentially, what you appear to confirm is that what you bought is not fit for (your) purpose

Ask a simple question... I'm not trying to control different radiators around the house. All I want to do is place a temperature sensor in the bathroom... And I'm just looking for some more details on how the scheduling works.

Your assumptions are incorrect, but I do appreciate you taking the time.

championc

Bluefoam wrote: »

Thanks for your input, but that's not what I asked.

What is believe I'm getting at is that what you appear to have is not matching what you want. So I have simply suggested to you as the required kit for what you want to do.

So essentially, what you appear to confirm is that what you bought is not fit for (your) purpose

Bluefoam

championc wrote: »

It's horses for courses. Only the likes of Tado and Drayton Smart TRV's can stop whole houses or whole sections of a house from potentially heating up.

Thanks for your input, but that's not what I asked.

championc

Bluefoam wrote: »

Thanks, that sounds lovely. I already have a Nest system and its great. I just have a specify question about scheduling when using a sensor...

It's horses for courses. Only the likes of Tado and Drayton Smart TRV's can stop whole houses or whole sections of a house from potentially heating up.

deezell

Bluefoam wrote: »

I suggest you reread my original post.

I suggest you go...., no, just read more of this thread before you put people down.

Bluefoam

championc wrote: »

Just get some Tado Smart TRV's. This is exactly what they are for. Each rad becomes it's own zone. You could have the bathroom rad on with every other off in the morning. You could also have the bathroom on from 07;30 to 08:00 at 20° and the Kitchen from 07:50 to 08:30 at 19°. That's the type of flexibility that you can have.

And you wouldn't have the heating on for a while hour - the boiler would come on, heat that rad enough to heat that room to the required temperature, and then turn off. So in this scenario, it might turn on for 2 mins at 0730 and another 2 mins at 07:50.

It gets to know how long it takes to heat a room from x° to y°. So the boiler will knock off before the room reaches temperature, since the rad will continue to deliver heat for the following 10 mins at least

Thanks, that sounds lovely. I already have a Nest system and its great. I just have a specify question about scheduling when using a sensor...

Bluefoam

deezell wrote: »

I'm gobsmacked. Your total information amounted to 'a sensor which had 4 fixed time intervals'. Hence my advice to bin it, but, hey, as you say, I know nuffin', I just make it all up. Cheers.

I suggest you reread my original post.