Wibbs wrote: » So yet again no actual points on the pro side of multiculturalism?
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » notice how they love to label people idiots or gullible if they have the audacity to dare disagree with them. Then think they are enlighten
_Kaiser_ wrote: » It's generally those who claim to be liberal, tolerant and enlightened who are in fact the most close-minded, aggressive, and dismissive of the lot.
why does the mere presence of immigrants offend so many here?
excludedbin wrote: » Notice how right wingers are still pushing this line? It's been decades now, lads, you're not fooling anyone but the gullible and the idiotic.
excludedbin wrote: » I've become more tolerant, less caring of what people do that doesn't harm others.
excludedbin wrote: » Why do so many people spend their days charting every immigrant that commits a crime as if they're not human like the rest of us?
excludedbin wrote: » Why are so many obsessed with a nonsensical idea of culture being static when that's never been the case?
excludedbin wrote: » And, strangely enough, why do so many that apparently care about 'culture' then turn around and mock and deride the very same people who create and contribute to that culture because they don't share their opinions on immigrants?
excludedbin wrote: » Because time and again you see it, anyone in the creative fields that are, admittedly, dominated by left wing politics, is absolutely pilloried.
excludedbin wrote: » Now I know, someone who thinks they're some real hot **** will jump at this and say "aha but you hate people that're different too" with the unspoken word there being 'just'. I don't hate people 'just' because they're different but when their views cause harm to others. Hating immigrants isn't simply "a different opinion", it's one that causes actual harm to others because of the violence it inevitably fosters.
Zookey123 wrote: » Any actual evidence of this or just your biased opinion? I would associate those traits more with the conservative right. Nothing wrong with tolerance as long as it doesn't tolerate intolerance. I wouldn't base any opinions off of anonymous online forums either.
Deleted User wrote: » Well, see... here's the problem. From what I've seen, anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly embraces your philosophy (I'm being generous in assuming there is an actual philosophy ) is labelled as being right wing.
Like, I'm guessing based on the manner of your response, and that you quoted me, that you would consider me to be right wing... but I'm actually very much in the center
with some leanings towards the left on certain issues. But that won't matter because your interpretation of what means to be right wing, basically comes down to who you decide should be called such.
People, like yourself, feel the need to label others based on... well... nothing.
Which is why the term "right wing" has lost any real definition in a social sense. It retains some definition in a political sense, but your kind of labeling makes a mockery of that.
Kivaro wrote: » And very angry. They always seem to be very angry; that's the usual common denominator for me.
excludedbin wrote: » Ouch. Oh, well, at least when I insult people I don't cowardly hide behind snide insinuations. If you've something to say to me then say it, klaz.
I really love modern discourse where apparently right wingers don't exist any more. They're all centrists. You can't swing a cat in a room of right wingers without them crying that no, no, they're actually centrists! They're almost, almost at the point of self-awareness but somehow it still eludes them.
No, klaz, my interpretation comes down entirely to the political views that person espouses. If you don't like that your views fit into the right wing of the spectrum then perhaps you should consider why it is that the idea of being right wing is so offensive to you.
On things they've said and done. I know you lot abhor self-reflection but please, have a wee think about your own views sometime and realise that you're being judged for them.
Yeah, okay, can you just save the "x has lost all meaning" meme for some gullible chump who'll believe it? It's bad enough when racists try it, I'm not interested in your banal variations on a theme.
Sloan Hundreds Village wrote: » The best view is to take a quick look at the multicultural neighbours of uk (brexit), Sweden (gone downhill), Italy (Italexit pending), France etc. France (Paris area) today, had a teacher decapitated because he had recently opened up a 'discussion' with students on freedom of expression and caricatures of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad before he was beheadedhttps://metro.co.uk/2020/10/16/man-shot-dead-by-paris-police-after-decapitating-teacher-in-the-street-13435608/ Earlier in the week a cop shop also near Paris was attacked with fireworks, followed by an attempt to storm the actual building by 40 lads with metal bars (like a Hollywood movie)https://news.sky.com/story/mob-armed-with-metal-bars-uses-fireworks-to-attack-paris-police-station-12101603 Officials said they "weren't far off from a disaster". Even Macron has turned tough on the growing amounts of illegal economic migrants, and the failure of exisitng groups to integrate.
breezy1985 wrote: » Love it. Best thing ever happened Ireland
jasper_Quinn wrote: » Its so ironic that the people who are pushing migration into the EU are Women, these women are the ones who are the first to feel the consequences of this,(Sweden), they will be the first to suffer when we get quotas in demographics in employment in the EU. Women hold grudges, they plot behind the scenes without making a lost of noise, It will be women who vote and bring the far right to power in the EU, a far right they believe will bring back the rights they once had before they brought immigrants into the EU. You can only laugh at the madness to come, otherwise you will go mad.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » you mean the same women who advocate for rights for those muslims ? The same muslimss who think marrying children, stoning women to death, and treating them like absolute dirt is ok. There in likes the problem, the liberal people are caught, they go on about equality, which is fine, but you dont see them speak out when the muslims treat women like dirt, total double standards
Hamachi wrote: » Really? How so? A brief numbered list would be great.
excludedbin wrote: » Just following the example of the anti side, Wibbs.
And I'm sure if I went back through the hundreds of pages this thread has managed to wheeze along, I'd find worse still. What's the point in trying to reason with people who think like that? At what point does the hatred of anyone different become acceptable to point out as being based in bigotry?
At what point can you say "hold on now, this is just racism"? Because the prevailing message on this thread is that the answer is "never". It doesn't exist and you're the close-minded, aggressive one for suggesting it does.
And I get it, I do, that racists really don't like when their opinions are correctly identified as such but what I can't, for the life of me, understand is why so many others will defend them. You can't really blame anyone for drawing the most obvious and reasonable conclusion as to why.
I'm also not going to pretend I'll ever understand people who object to immigration because... I can't. I understand it in an academic, abstract sense in that I know the reasons they give but I've never felt like that and I can't imagine it. The concept is just completely alien to me. Far from becoming more right wing as I've aged, I've become more tolerant, less caring of what people do that doesn't harm others.
Just think about it; why does the mere presence of immigrants offend so many here?
Why are so many obsessed with a nonsensical idea of culture being static when that's never been the case?
Because time and again you see it, anyone in the creative fields that are, admittedly, dominated by left wing politics, is absolutely pilloried.
Are the rest of us meant to just ignore that or pretend we can't see it? Because that's something I don't have any tolerance for these days. "Tell it like it is," unless you're left wing and then you're not allowed express your honest opinions.
Wibbs wrote: » Forget about pros and cons for the moment this is the weirdest aspect of this belief in multiculturalism, the blind acceptance of it based on something, I dunno, like faith. People saying it's great, the best thing ever etc, yet when asked why, there's very little behind it in actual reasons why it is. It just is. It must be. With some when pushed the resort to attack, because without many reasons to back up the viewpoint there's little left to do. For me it has genuinely been the biggest surprise of this thread. I really thought there would be far more actual debate. In every other contentious thread subject down the years you get some back and forth even if there's a majority view.
enricoh wrote: » Ha, I remember katherine zappone in the airport when Ibrahim halawa was coming back from Egypt. All his mates roaring Allah akbar n her standing there with a sheepish head on her. I'd say Egypt was off the holiday list after that! Self preservation kicks in n wokeness is swiftly forgotten!
kildare lad wrote: » Multiculturalism is a guilt by lefties who think their country is to white . How I ever managed to get by growing up in the 80's and 90's without multiculturalism and diversity must be a miracle.... And yet we need them to pay are pensions in the future , they can't even pay for themselves never mind contribute towards the economy here .
Hamachi wrote: » The pensions argument doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny. Ireland is reasonably well placed demographically for a developed nation. Our fertility rate is just below replacement level. The population grows naturally by 30K-35K annually. Furthermore, looking at the population pyramid, > 21% of the population is younger than 15. The tempo effect ensures future population momentum and growth. We simply do not need people coming here to fill demographic holes.
Hamachi wrote: » I also find both of these arguments frustrating. A couple of posters have claimed that multiculturalism in Ireland is helping prepare their children for a more globalized world. This is nonsense. I grew up in an almost entirely monocultural regional town (still is today) in the ‘90s. It hasn’t stopped me succeeding in a highly globalized industry. I see the same story replicated across many of my peers. The key ingredients for success are work ethic and intellectual horsepower. Multiculturalism is totally irrelevant. Instead, what they’ve actually done is to even further ratchet up the competition for the next generation, in case climbing the ladder isn’t already difficult enough...
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