robindch wrote: » Donal O'Keeffe, who's researching the mother and baby home nationwide, attended a talk in Tuam last Saturday evening by one Brian Nugent who's written which, in essence, denies that anything very notable took place at the Tuam home. Unfortunately for Mr Nugent, Catherine Corless was also present at the talk and both Ms Corless and Mr O'Keeffe took significant issue with Nugent's evidence, reasoning and conclusions: What seems to be the full talk is available for anybody who has two hours to spare.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » The majority of kids still do first communion and for almost all of them the preparation takes place in their school.
downinbigsmoke wrote: » [...] I watched the (controversial bits) of the video [...]
PostWoke wrote: » And how is that the parents' will?
Unless you're talking about being a ****ty parent and excluding your child from a payday?
You honestly think 100% of parents who have a child do their communion exercise some kind of faith?
Odhinn wrote: » And in english this means.............?
robindch wrote: » For the benefit of other forum members, any chance you could say where these bits are? Most forum members are interested in this topic, but I'm not sure that very many are at a sufficiently loose end that they could spare two hours poking through the entrails of Mr Nugent's thinking on the topic.
Mark Hamill wrote: » I think.. I think he is quoting Kung Fu panda:
aloyisious wrote: » If you don't keep the past in mind, you end up repeating it. There are reasons to keep the dead in memory and that includes shining a light for your steps in the future. Graves serve a purpose.
Odhinn wrote: » The majority of the church covered for the molesters amongst them. Hence the "whole church" being viewed as corrupt.
A_Lost_Man wrote: » aloyisious wrote: » If you don't keep the past in mind, you end up repeating it. There are reasons to keep the dead in memory and that includes shining a light for your steps in the future. Graves serve a purpose. A_Lost_Man wrote: » Graves serve no purpose. I think you'll find Aloyisious' post was clearly a reference remembering the dead, and the atrocious way they met their deaths in this case, through taught history. While Viking and Hindu burial rites are no doubt an interesting topic, they are a total red herring with respect to this discussion. Septic tanks on the other hand....
A_Lost_Man wrote: » Graves serve no purpose.
A_Lost_Man wrote: » Again there are good people and bad people in an organization. If organization is run by corrupt people will ultimately become corrupt. It the fault of people not the organization. There are people in churches who love to help the poor. I like that way irrespective of their faith. We should appreciate their good work. Many atheist due to their hate of religion forget good things of church and point out weakness.
smacl wrote: » That there are also good people in the church is not in dispute, there are good and bad people in every large organisation. However, if an organisation knowingly protects and covers up serious criminal activity on the part of some of its members then that organisation is clearly both corrupt and complicit in the crime.
A_Lost_Man wrote: » That's every organisation do to save its reputation when it finds something wrongs. What is meaning of serious criminal activities like fckng children . That also happens in private organization, harassing of females and children. They also try to cover up. It is not the fault of church but few bad people. The story of burying 800 children in tank. There are no cofirm sources about that.
Ok let says church is corrupt what is alternative. what will do your next. demolish or ban churches. What will people do when they will not find a place to worship Jesus. Will you provide them another god. Are you going to make whole world atheist.
A_Lost_Man wrote: » That's every organisation do to save its reputation when it finds something wrongs.
Cabaal wrote: » The church is very much an exception due to the sheer amount of systematic , worldwide, organized cover ups of sexual abuse and rape of children, along with the selling of babies for profit and the mistreatment of women. Oh they also have repeatedly made it difficult for investigations to occur, have have refused to release records to a UN investigation and still owe many hundreds of millions in compensation to abuse victims. Name one organization who has covered up the same crimes on this level?
A_Lost_Man wrote: » UN Always try to cover up its peacekeeper SEX ABUSE in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Cases of sexual abuse committed by UN Peacekeepers in Bosnia in the 90s and You are asking same UN to investigate crimes by Church an irony
A_Lost_Man wrote: » That's every organisation do to save its reputation when it finds something wrongs. What is meaning of serious criminal activities like fckng children . That also happens in private organization, harassing of females and children. They also try to cover up. It is not the fault of church but few bad people. The story of burying 800 children in tank. There are no cofirm sources about that. Ok let says church is corrupt what is alternative. what will do your next. demolish or ban churches. What will people do when they will not find a place to worship Jesus. Will you provide them another god. Are you going to make whole world atheist.
Irish Examiner wrote: The European Commission is to investigate allegations about the Irish State’s treatment of women in mother and baby homes. It is also to investigate allegations about the way the State has treated survivors of those homes. Earlier this year, the Coalition of Mother and Baby Homes Survivors in Ireland petitioned the commission for an investigation. It called for an investigation into “breaches of human rights” that occurred in the homes and for an examination of “the wider official system” that “facilitated” forced adoptions of children from those homes. On Thursday, the commission told the coalition their petition for an investigation has been “declared admissible”. The European Commission has now been asked to conduct a preliminary investigation of the issues raised. It has also been referred to the European Parliament Coordinator on Children's Rights. Paul Jude Redmond, of the Coalition of Mother and Baby Homes Survivors in Ireland, said: "We are delighted the European Parliament has decided to recognise our appalling treatment at the hands of successive Irish Governments." Clodagh Malone, a survivor of St Patrick's Mother and Baby Home, said: "We may think we're finished with Ireland's past but the past is not finished with us.” Up to 7,000 babies and children are believed to have died in mother and baby homes. Their bodies have lain for decades in what were mostly unmarked graves on abandoned wasteland adjoining graveyards. Among the various homes in Ireland at one point were those run by the Sisters of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary who arrived in Ireland in 1922. As well as Castlepollard in Co Westmeath, the congregation ran two other mother and baby homes, one of which — the Bessborough Centre in Cork — was open from 1922 until 1996. Sean Ross Abbey, another home in Roscrea, Co Tipperary, was where Philomena Lee's son was forcibly given up for adoption — something that became the subject of 2013’s Oscar-nominated film starring Judi Dench. A common cause of baby deaths was marasmus — a severe form of malnutrition, commonly found in babies born in famine-hit countries. An estimated 4,800 children were born in Sean Ross Abbey and at least 700 of them are believed to have died between 1930 and 1950. No figures are available for those who died subsequently but researchers estimate around a total 1,200 died by the time the facility closed in 1969. Some 3,763 babies were born in Castlepollard over its 35 years from 1935 to 1971. Of these, 2,500 were allegedly adopted out and an estimated 200-300 died.
robindch wrote: » European Commission to investigate mother and baby homeshttps://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40062500.html
eire4 wrote: » An utter disgrace that it takes the EU to make this happen. The Irish government once again an utter disgrace when it comes to the victims of abuse by the church. Absolutely unconscionable how badly they have and are been treated by our government who clearly just want to keep dragging this out in the hopes as many of the victims as possible die and they have as little as possible to deal with. Utterly disgusting.
Cabaal wrote: » This is typical for Ireland though, So many things in Ireland would not have changed only for the EU forced the positive change, environmental laws are a prime example of this refusal to change
eire4 wrote: » Sadly your absolutely spot on, very good example too with environmental laws.
ozmo wrote: » I approve of all the EU laws and protections they have given us - except maybe that stupid EU Browser Cookie law - I'm so sick of clicking I do/don't accept on every page I visit.
Gael23 wrote: » The point I made quite some time ago. Some of the women that gave birth to babies here in the 1940s and 50s May still be alive. These are now at an advanced age and many had difficult lives so let them live what’s left of their life without digging this up
Bannasidhe wrote: » And what about the women who do support 'digging this up' ( an unfortunately tasteless choice of words)? Should they forever be condemned to have the horror inflicted upon by Church and State them brushed under the carpet? It is up to individual women to decide whether to participate or not- and that is as it should be. But no-one has the right to impose silence on others, especially not on those who were rendered voiceless for so long.
