grbear wrote: » The plans for Casement look great but at the moment I don't see how they are affordable without significant alteration. Someone has to find another €36 million in order to get that stadium design built. That issue needs to be addressed before people start getting too excited.
Pogue eile wrote: » It's a 32 county organisation so yes that is exactly what I am saying! Has a cost-benefit analysis been done on all the stadia in the 26 counties that haven't been filled in the last 20 years?
Pogue eile wrote: » I'm pretty sure the NI assembly have financial obligations to projects like this under the GFA - not that they have a pot to pi*s in either!!
threeball wrote: » So you'd like to see an organisation that pushes itself to the edge of financial collapse just so they can throw up another monument. Just repeat all the mistakes of PUC and other pointless stadia just so everyone can have a white elephant. Very intelligent plan you have there.
Pogue eile wrote: » To be fair I may have misinterpreted your original post that I quotes, I mistakenly thought that you were suggesting it was a waste because it was located in Antrim. I actually agree with you that we have far far too many large stadia that for the most part go unused. I personally think that each county should have a 20-25k stadium and have one 45-50k stadium in each province that is owned by the provincial council - the reason that most counties want the big stadium is to make sure that another county doesn't get all the big games and gate receipts. Look at Munster alone - Killarney, Gaelic Grounds, Parc de Frank and Semple Stadium - in any given year one at the most will be filled.
willietherock wrote: » Nothing pointless about the likes of PUC, badly needed to accomodate Cork hurling massive support base.
threeball wrote: » Tell me, how many times was PUC filled or even 75% filled since it opened?
Pogue eile wrote: » To be fair I may have misinterpreted your original post that I quotes, I mistakenly thought that you were suggesting it was a waste because it was located in Antrim.
Pogue eile wrote: » I actually agree with you that we have far far too many large stadia that for the most part go unused. I personally think that each county should have a 20-25k stadium and have one 45-50k stadium in each province that is owned by the provincial council - the reason that most counties want the big stadium is to make sure that another county doesn't get all the big games and gate receipts. Look at Munster alone - Killarney, Gaelic Grounds, Parc de Frank and Semple Stadium - in any given year one at the most will be filled.
willietherock wrote: » There was 30k + at the first group game v Tipp last yr. Same the yr before for Limerick. Any home Munster hurling final will be a complete sell out. Clare/Waterford expect ~20k Even the footballers going well will see Kerry every 2nd yr and 1 super 8 home match ~ 20k odd . All this for a "pointless" stadium.
Coillte_Bhoy wrote: » Massive contradiction there in fairness. If there were to be a few 45k in strategic locations then there would be little need of 25k ones. 15/18k for the bigger counties maybe but for the smaller counties 10k would certainly be enough. I stand to be corrected but i think that outside of Dublin, only Mayo has drawn a 15k+ crowd for an NFL game
Pete_Cavan wrote: » This thing gets trotted out every so often in this thread but it makes absolutely no sense. It would be more expensive demolishing terraces and then building smaller ones. Leaving existing terraces in place costs little or nothing, even if someone says the capacity is "too much". The focus should be on providing good facilities, not some preconceived capacity. The 45k "mini Croke Parks" which is often touted would also cost a fortune. Munster already has multiple large stadiums, PUC is brand new but makes no sense to send every big game there, the current set up works well enough. Building a mini CP in Connacht would likely cost >€50m, putting €10m each into McHale and Pearse would be better value. Clones is the home of the Ulster final, it just needs a new main stand. We don't need to build new stadiums, just have sensible investment in existing.
threeball wrote: » So one game every year at 60% capacity and the odd one at 40% capacity is worth €110m in your world. No wonder the Cork finances are fcuked. You haven't a hurling or a football team in the top 6 at the moment yet 110m was better spent on a vanity project. How about they built 25k for the people that actually come rather than the imaginary 20k that never show up and save 50 million.
willietherock wrote: » A 25 k stadium LOL And where exactly would Cork play Tipp/Lim, Munster hurling finals, Kerry football matches? Where not talking the likes of Galway footballers here with a relatively small support base. Cork hurlers brought 40k + up to an All Ire semi with 2 yrs ago.
threeball wrote: » The only thing lol is your overinflated sense of importance and the figures you throw about. 3yrs in and you haven't filled your own stadium yet. If you're only reaching an AISF once a decade its no wonder a crowd shows up
willietherock wrote: » Typical snowflake Galway football type. Don't like it up 'em.
threeball wrote: » No one is suggesting tearing down existing stadia but as they come up for refurbishment they should be refurbished to a decent size that lends atmosphere to league and club games. Some counties such as Gslway should sell their stadium at a massive profit and build a more compact stadium with better facilities and location. There's more to stadia than just their upfront cost, upkeep is the real cost and big stadia costs more to keep. Lots of big stadia cost a hell of a lot to keep.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » In most county grounds, 80% or more of capacity is provided by concrete terraces which last a very long time and have little maintenance costs. If need to you can break out concrete and pour new, to reduce capacity you would need to demolish and rebuild which would cost more for no benefit. Again, the focus shouldn't be on capacity, it should be on facilities.
threeball wrote: » Facilities includes seating and shelter. Its one of the first requirements, so 80% terrace does not cut the mustard.
Pogue eile wrote: » I fail to see the contradiction myself. These 'county grounds' that I am talking about are already in place. And not sure why you are limiting stadiums to National Football League games only?
beggars_bush wrote: » I prefer standing at a game
threeball wrote: » You'd have the option of that whilst those that want to sit would have that option too. Terraces should be covered in my opinion.
