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liamog

Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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Black_Knight

Spotted this today. Interesting.

2020-10-13 13:50:30
	
1136	
Circle K - Topaz Service Station, Clonshaugh Road, Cloghran, Dublin 17	 
RESERVED	
FAST

The Clonshaugh Road fast charger was marked as Reserved. It was reserved (~10 minutes), then unavailable (~5 minutes), then available(~5 minutes), then charging for the last hour (just released now).

PAUSED is another status i've seen on SCP. Bishops Quay, Kent station, and WIT. Dunno what that really means.

AndyBoBandy

Black_Knight wrote: »
Spotted this today. Interesting.
2020-10-13 13:50:30
	
1136	
Circle K - Topaz Service Station, Clonshaugh Road, Cloghran, Dublin 17	 
RESERVED	
FAST
The Clonshaugh Road fast charger was marked as Reserved. It was reserved (~10 minutes), then unavailable (~5 minutes), then available(~5 minutes), then charging for the last hour (just released now).

Whats that for?? do "The Beautiful People" get to reserve the fast chargers for their own personal use???

Black_Knight

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Whats that for?? do "The Beautiful People" get to reserve the fast chargers for their own personal use???

I seen it as part of the driivz API, but it's not available via the app etc. Perhaps testing it? Hard to say, i've only been scraping this data a day now.

McGiver

markpb wrote: »

In terms of creating a “fast” charging network, 44kW is better than 20kW (which few cars can avail of anyway) so it’s definitely an upgrade for lots of people.

Why wouldn’t you count the 150kW charge points? They’re definitely a step forward.

Oh yeah they're but in mathematical terms or meaningful numbers not really. it's negligible. Because they are 3, or to spell it out THREE of them. That's approaching zero, in mathematical terms. Not worth mentioning when you talk stats.

How many AC22 to DC conversions have been made?

So we're talking 3 + say 10 ~ 15 DC units in a last two years or something?

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

Oh yeah they're but in mathematical terms or meaningful numbers not really. it's negligible. Because they are 3, or to spell it out THREE of them. That's approaching zero, in mathematical terms. Not worth mentioning when you talk stats.

How many AC22 to DC conversions have been made?

So we're talking 3 + say 10 ~ 15 DC units in a last two years or something?

If you're a CCS user, it's much more than that, they replaced all the CHAdeMO only units too. The network is much better now for CCS than we first got our Ioniq.

markpb

McGiver wrote: »

Oh yeah they're but in mathematical terms or meaningful numbers not really. it's negligible. Because they are 3, or to spell it out THREE of them. That's approaching zero, in mathematical terms. Not worth mentioning when you talk stats

It’s disappointing, I’m not trying to suggest it’s not but IMHO, eCars have gone about this completely backwards for a very long time. It would have taken a relatively small number of sites with a few 50kW and 150kW charge points to create a proper intercity network. Once you have that, the vast majority of people can make cross-country trips without fear. Then you fill in the national secondary routes and after that you can look at adding 20kW charge points in all the towns, airports, ports, etc. The three HPCPs are a decent start to that.

McGiver

liamog wrote: »

If you're a CCS user, it's much more than that, they replaced all the CHAdeMO only units too. The network is much better now for CCS than we first got our Ioniq.

Do you have the numbers? I'm not interested in some subjective feelings here.

So is it 15 DC (CCS) units added in last 3 years? From 100 to 115 or so?

Black_Knight

McGiver wrote: »

Do you have the numbers? I'm not interested in some subjective feelings here.

So is it 15 DC (CCS) units added in last 3 years? From 100 to 115 or so?

Awkward timing to mention Park Ri Service Station, Cavan Road, Townparks, Kells just came online?

The CCS port on the triple unit throwing a fault might balance things out though. Fixed it seems

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

Do you have the numbers? I'm not interested in some subjective feelings here.

I've never really tracked the numbers, I know 5 of the chargers in Dublin were upgraded to CCS, maybe someone else did.

Silent Running

liamog wrote: »

I've never really tracked the numbers, I know 5 of the chargers in Dublin were upgraded to CCS, maybe someone else did.

There were two Chademo only rapid chargers between Rosslare port and Wexford town. Both were replaced with triple head units. I don't know where this would be recorded though.

I'm not aware of any Chademo only unit's left in Ireland, other than in dealer settings. They are certainly still around in the UK public charging network.

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Awkward timing to mention Park Ri Service Station, Cavan Road, Townparks, Kells just came online?

The CCS port on the triple unit throwing a fault might balance things out though. Fixed it seems

I'd call that perfect timing

ELM327

Silent Running wrote: »

There were two Chademo only rapid chargers between Rosslare port and Wexford town. Both were replaced with triple head units. I don't know where this would be recorded though.

I'm not aware of any Chademo only unit's left in Ireland, other than in dealer settings. They are certainly still around in the UK public charging network.

There's still a few.
Especially up north and in the south/southwest

liamog

I remember when the Ioniq first came out, people would recommend avoiding it as their weren't as many CCS chargers.

ELM327

And that was somewhat true then.
For sure not true now. Even Ionity is not too expensive to use with an Ioniq because it's such a small battery and so efficient.

bodgerfederer

I'm not aware of any Chademo only unit's left in Ireland, other than in dealer settings. They are certainly still around in the UK public charging network.[/QUOTE]

there's the unit in Carrick on Shannon that is still (showing as) Chademo and type 2.

i've said this before but it's crazy there's no CCS chargers there, a tourist destination in itself, a jumping off point for the NW and not currently bypassed by the N4.

AndyBoBandy

bodgerfederer wrote: »

there's the unit in Carrick on Shannon that is still (showing as) Chademo and type 2.
i've said this before but it's crazy there's no CCS chargers there, a tourist destination in itself, a jumping off point for the NW and not currently bypassed by the N4.

Carrick is earmarked for one of the 150kW units isn't it? I wonder will they make it a 'hub' and put a 50kW triple head beside it??

innrain

Attached is a snapshot of the charging location May 2019 I downloaded when I was playing with the cpinfo script. If one can parse properly this file (kml) we can find out what's the progress in the last 18 months

I did a raw search all for "Combo DC" and got 143 hits, "CHAdeMO" 101, Fast AC 139

Strange I was expecting CHAdeMo to be more than CCS

this is all island and 3rd parties included

liamog

You are probably picking up the style markers

the #Own tag is for chargers in eCars network (not eCars NI)

#Own_CHAdeMO* = 64
#Own_ComboCCS* = 61
#Own_FastAC43* = 60

I can see your data show's a number of the already upgraded units, I think it was early 2019 they started rolling out the replacement units, they also replaced the DBT units with Efacec which were limited to about 100A with the Ioniq.

unkel

liamog wrote: »

I remember when the Ioniq first came out, people would recommend avoiding it as their weren't as many CCS chargers.

I don't remember that at all, quite the opposite. For a Dublin owner, going to west Waterford / east Cork was tricky as well as going to parts of Donegal. As the maximum distance between Dublin and a CCS charger in those directions was 170km. Doable and in fact I did it (with a fully loaded car, with plenty range to spare). Any other journey to anywhere else in the country had far smaller distances between CCS chargers.

Back in 2017 there were so few EVs that you almost never had to wait for a fast charge (outside of Dublin) even though charging was free. Obviously if any of the DC chargers were broken, you'd be fukced. And the chargers were extremely slow (max 50kW). Here we are nearly 4 years later, the rest of the world has moved on towards electrificiation and here we are in Ireland with the public ESB fast chargers are still extremely slow (max 50kW) apart from, what is it 2 or 3 faster chargers? :rolleyes:

innrain

quite low numbers. Something is not right. I'll look this evening at the ruby script to parse the file locally.

liamog

innrain wrote: »

quite low numbers. Something is not right. I'll look this evening at the ruby script to parse the file locally.

I think the only thing not right is how sparse the charging network is in Ireland

McGiver

bodgerfederer wrote: »

there's the unit in Carrick on Shannon that is still (showing as) Chademo and type 2.

i've said this before but it's crazy there's no CCS chargers there, a tourist destination in itself, a jumping off point for the NW and not currently bypassed by the N4.

That applies to the whole Wild Atlantic Way. Essentially all of it. it's doable only in Tesla but even in Tesla I think you'd struggle without excursions inland.

McGiver

innrain wrote: »

Attached is a snapshot of the charging location May 2019 I downloaded when I was playing with the cpinfo script. If one can parse properly this file (kml) we can find out what's the progress in the last 18 months

I did a raw search all for "Combo DC" and got 143 hits, "CHAdeMO" 101, Fast AC 139

Strange I was expecting CHAdeMo to be more than CCS

this is all island and 3rd parties included

I can do. Do we have a latest KML for comparison?

MJohnston

McGiver wrote: »

That applies to the whole Wild Atlantic Way. Essentially all of it. it's doable only in Tesla but even in Tesla I think you'd struggle without excursions inland.

Hold on a second — it's also totally doable if you're not completely insane and don't try to do the whole thing in one day.

I want the CCS network to expand as much as anyone, but let's not create red herrings about the existing situation.

innrain

McGiver wrote: »

I can do. Do we have a latest KML for comparison?

KML route is discontinued now. That was before the driivz outsource.
The last one is February 2020 (http://esb.ie/electric-cars/kml/charging-locations.kml)

Right now I get on a browser:
CHAdeMO = 97 ecars (108 with 3rd party)
CCS = 85 ecars (87 with 3rd party)
Fast AC = 76 ecars (78 with 3rd party)

ELM327

the chademo includes the nissan dealers?

Silent Running

McGiver wrote: »

That applies to the whole Wild Atlantic Way. Essentially all of it. it's doable only in Tesla but even in Tesla I think you'd struggle without excursions inland.

Just checking out the route on ZapMap. I'd be happy to give it a shot using only rapid chargers. Even allowing for a couple of non-working units, it's totally doable in a Kiundai Koniro.

Sure, you'd have to work in a couple of unnecessary inland diversions to charge, but that wouldn't put me off. You might struggle a bit with an SR+, but the LR Model 3 would be easy enough.

ELM327

"The Wild Atlantic Way route which is over 1600 miles long (2600 km) is divided into 14 stages for easier orientation."

from here
No car can do that without refuelling

AndyBoBandy

Silent Running wrote: »

You might struggle a bit with an SR+, but the LR Model 3 would be easy enough.

More than enough Tesla destination charging along the route that would it make it easily doable in an SR+. Granted you'd only pull 7-11kWh AC, but still, a few lunch/dinner stops along the route would give you enough buffer to make it to a DC charger...

But that's a route eCars should be looking at alright, especially with more and more EV rentals coming on stream, and if tourism ever gets back to normal...

zg3409

McGiver wrote: »

Oh yeah they're but in mathematical terms or meaningful numbers not really. it's negligible. Because they are 3, or to spell it out THREE of them. That's approaching zero, in mathematical terms. Not worth mentioning when you talk stats.

How many AC22 to DC conversions have been made?

So we're talking 3 + say 10 ~ 15 DC units in a last two years or something?

There is the sticky thread on boards.ie that captures newest chargers.
I have been steadily adding chargers to plugshare app.

In terms of new sites, never having an ESB charger before the only quantity additions are Tesco AC, but Gorey motorway services opened the whole stop a while ago (March 2019) with a new site with charger + Ionity.
Park Ri in kells is a new site with 150 + 50kW chargers, never existed before. Portlaoise motorway services new service station got 150kW +50kW with power limit July 2020. It was very close to site that had chargers removed (midway)

Some sites got an extra 44DC/50kW like Dublin port. A good few 22kWAC -> 44kW DC. These are very useful in places with limited DC such as Waterford, Drogheda, and other towns or cities with only one or zero DC chargers

I would prefer more 40+kW DC chargers at existing 50kW sites, rather than new sites with single charger and single point of failure. We should also record total network outages. ESB have had at least 2, ionity more but charger seem to go free vend.

In terms of chademo, no CCS sites, there is lots up North, some on Dublin Sligo route.

It does seem ESB don't want new sites (beside motorway services) or are not pushing for that, instead trying to make use of existing sites. It may be down to cost. I don't think new sites are necessarily needed for National routes.

They did fix/replace dozens of AC units and replace a good few DC units.