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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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innrain

Attached is a snapshot of the charging location May 2019 I downloaded when I was playing with the cpinfo script. If one can parse properly this file (kml) we can find out what's the progress in the last 18 months

I did a raw search all for "Combo DC" and got 143 hits, "CHAdeMO" 101, Fast AC 139

Strange I was expecting CHAdeMo to be more than CCS

this is all island and 3rd parties included

AndyBoBandy

bodgerfederer wrote: »

there's the unit in Carrick on Shannon that is still (showing as) Chademo and type 2.
i've said this before but it's crazy there's no CCS chargers there, a tourist destination in itself, a jumping off point for the NW and not currently bypassed by the N4.

Carrick is earmarked for one of the 150kW units isn't it? I wonder will they make it a 'hub' and put a 50kW triple head beside it??

bodgerfederer

I'm not aware of any Chademo only unit's left in Ireland, other than in dealer settings. They are certainly still around in the UK public charging network.[/QUOTE]

there's the unit in Carrick on Shannon that is still (showing as) Chademo and type 2.

i've said this before but it's crazy there's no CCS chargers there, a tourist destination in itself, a jumping off point for the NW and not currently bypassed by the N4.

ELM327

And that was somewhat true then.
For sure not true now. Even Ionity is not too expensive to use with an Ioniq because it's such a small battery and so efficient.

liamog

I remember when the Ioniq first came out, people would recommend avoiding it as their weren't as many CCS chargers.

ELM327

Silent Running wrote: »

There were two Chademo only rapid chargers between Rosslare port and Wexford town. Both were replaced with triple head units. I don't know where this would be recorded though.

I'm not aware of any Chademo only unit's left in Ireland, other than in dealer settings. They are certainly still around in the UK public charging network.

There's still a few.
Especially up north and in the south/southwest

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Awkward timing to mention Park Ri Service Station, Cavan Road, Townparks, Kells just came online?

The CCS port on the triple unit throwing a fault might balance things out though. Fixed it seems

I'd call that perfect timing

Silent Running

liamog wrote: »

I've never really tracked the numbers, I know 5 of the chargers in Dublin were upgraded to CCS, maybe someone else did.

There were two Chademo only rapid chargers between Rosslare port and Wexford town. Both were replaced with triple head units. I don't know where this would be recorded though.

I'm not aware of any Chademo only unit's left in Ireland, other than in dealer settings. They are certainly still around in the UK public charging network.

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

Do you have the numbers? I'm not interested in some subjective feelings here.

I've never really tracked the numbers, I know 5 of the chargers in Dublin were upgraded to CCS, maybe someone else did.

Black_Knight

McGiver wrote: »

Do you have the numbers? I'm not interested in some subjective feelings here.

So is it 15 DC (CCS) units added in last 3 years? From 100 to 115 or so?

Awkward timing to mention Park Ri Service Station, Cavan Road, Townparks, Kells just came online?

The CCS port on the triple unit throwing a fault might balance things out though. Fixed it seems

McGiver

liamog wrote: »

If you're a CCS user, it's much more than that, they replaced all the CHAdeMO only units too. The network is much better now for CCS than we first got our Ioniq.

Do you have the numbers? I'm not interested in some subjective feelings here.

So is it 15 DC (CCS) units added in last 3 years? From 100 to 115 or so?

markpb

McGiver wrote: »

Oh yeah they're but in mathematical terms or meaningful numbers not really. it's negligible. Because they are 3, or to spell it out THREE of them. That's approaching zero, in mathematical terms. Not worth mentioning when you talk stats

It’s disappointing, I’m not trying to suggest it’s not but IMHO, eCars have gone about this completely backwards for a very long time. It would have taken a relatively small number of sites with a few 50kW and 150kW charge points to create a proper intercity network. Once you have that, the vast majority of people can make cross-country trips without fear. Then you fill in the national secondary routes and after that you can look at adding 20kW charge points in all the towns, airports, ports, etc. The three HPCPs are a decent start to that.

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

Oh yeah they're but in mathematical terms or meaningful numbers not really. it's negligible. Because they are 3, or to spell it out THREE of them. That's approaching zero, in mathematical terms. Not worth mentioning when you talk stats.

How many AC22 to DC conversions have been made?

So we're talking 3 + say 10 ~ 15 DC units in a last two years or something?

If you're a CCS user, it's much more than that, they replaced all the CHAdeMO only units too. The network is much better now for CCS than we first got our Ioniq.

McGiver

markpb wrote: »

In terms of creating a “fast” charging network, 44kW is better than 20kW (which few cars can avail of anyway) so it’s definitely an upgrade for lots of people.

Why wouldn’t you count the 150kW charge points? They’re definitely a step forward.

Oh yeah they're but in mathematical terms or meaningful numbers not really. it's negligible. Because they are 3, or to spell it out THREE of them. That's approaching zero, in mathematical terms. Not worth mentioning when you talk stats.

How many AC22 to DC conversions have been made?

So we're talking 3 + say 10 ~ 15 DC units in a last two years or something?

Black_Knight

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Whats that for?? do "The Beautiful People" get to reserve the fast chargers for their own personal use???

I seen it as part of the driivz API, but it's not available via the app etc. Perhaps testing it? Hard to say, i've only been scraping this data a day now.

AndyBoBandy

Black_Knight wrote: »
Spotted this today. Interesting.
2020-10-13 13:50:30
	
1136	
Circle K - Topaz Service Station, Clonshaugh Road, Cloghran, Dublin 17	 
RESERVED	
FAST
The Clonshaugh Road fast charger was marked as Reserved. It was reserved (~10 minutes), then unavailable (~5 minutes), then available(~5 minutes), then charging for the last hour (just released now).

Whats that for?? do "The Beautiful People" get to reserve the fast chargers for their own personal use???

Black_Knight

Spotted this today. Interesting.

2020-10-13 13:50:30
	
1136	
Circle K - Topaz Service Station, Clonshaugh Road, Cloghran, Dublin 17	 
RESERVED	
FAST

The Clonshaugh Road fast charger was marked as Reserved. It was reserved (~10 minutes), then unavailable (~5 minutes), then available(~5 minutes), then charging for the last hour (just released now).

PAUSED is another status i've seen on SCP. Bishops Quay, Kent station, and WIT. Dunno what that really means.

MJohnston

McGiver wrote: »

I won't count the conversion, they're at best keeping the status quo. I'd like to see the number of units added per annum last three years (2018-2020).

Is it what I think? Basically zero. If we don't count the 3 new 150 kW additions....

Yes if you don't count any of the new additions it certainly would be zero

markpb

McGiver wrote: »

I won't count the conversion, they're at best keeping the status quo...

In terms of creating a “fast” charging network, 44kW is better than 20kW (which few cars can avail of anyway) so it’s definitely an upgrade for lots of people.

Why wouldn’t you count the 150kW charge points? They’re definitely a step forward.

McGiver

kanuseeme wrote:

and Ecars upgraded a few AC units to 44 kW DC and 6 AC if you can charge on 3 phase.

I won't count the conversion, they're at best keeping the status quo. I'd like to see the number of units added per annum last three years (2018-2020).

Is it what I think? Basically zero. If we don't count the 3 new 150 kW additions....

kanuseeme

Something was done,

Ionity increased their prices to make sure that it would be a last option and thus reduce the need for expansion of their network,

and Ecars upgraded a few AC units to 44 kW DC and 6 AC if you can charge on 3 phase.

Amazing progress.

McGiver

Does anyone has stats how many DC units were added to the network (bar Ionity) say last year, this year or in 2018?

Something must be done here, if there was no Ionity growth spur last year, there would have been basically nothing new added to the network.

Black_Knight

innrain wrote: »

Had. The file esb.ie/electric-cars/kml/charging-locations.kml
was not updated since February.

Funny enough based on the ruby script that the cpinfo creator posted on github I managed to make my own data grabber. With the new system I don't know where to start.
Black_Knight if you find the time and you're stuck for resources I'm happy to help.

Might stick what I have on github. I was/am limited on resources from my mini pc, and had an influxdb up and running already so i've been using that as my backend. Nice for timeseries stuff, but makes things a bit awkward when building queries against the data. Hindsight is 20:20, so I might rethink things if I end up porting this to AWS. Ideally i'd have this deployed somewhere (Just using grafana for the front end) and branchable on github so others can contribute.

innrain

zg3409 wrote: »

As ESB have a public API it would be great if we could update cpinfo or have a similar service with some useful statistics, particularly chargers that are known to be down.

Had. The file esb.ie/electric-cars/kml/charging-locations.kml
was not updated since February.

Funny enough based on the ruby script that the cpinfo creator posted on github I managed to make my own data grabber. With the new system I don't know where to start.
Black_Knight if you find the time and you're stuck for resources I'm happy to help.

Black_Knight

yeah, cpinfo was a nice idea, but difficult to use I found. I'd love to make what I have publically available (currently it runs on a mini pc I have at my house), but I just don't have the time at the moment. I might shift my focus towards that in the near future.

Pretty sure you'd have to reinvent the wheel. Unless cpinfo is being developed, I believe it runs against the old maps kml file. Horrific to deal with.

zg3409

Black_Knight wrote: »

I'd only hope/imagine usage is down these days with the lockdown in place. Pity I didn't get this all setup before the lockdown. Im curious to see the ones not used today, and after a week or so see what ones are never used

http://cpinfo.ie/ has been displaying and logging data from ESB for years. Last time I attempted to use it, it would not work for me. However I believe they have a database of historical data online. If you Google cpinfo you can see discussion and the owner.

As ESB have a public API it would be great if we could update cpinfo or have a similar service with some useful statistics, particularly chargers that are known to be down. I don't want to re-invent the wheel, or duplicate an existing service, but when ESB flag a charger as faulty it would be handy to be alerted.

Black_Knight

cruisey1987 wrote: »

That's awesome, it's great to see the majority of fast chargers are getting used

I'd only hope/imagine usage is down these days with the lockdown in place. Pity I didn't get this all setup before the lockdown. Im curious to see the ones not used today, and after a week or so see what ones are never used

the_amazing_raisin

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Does anyone know if you still need to pay for parking at the Luas park and ride stops if you're AC charging now that the charging costs money? I've always left the car at the DC charger and not paid for parking and it's been fine. It would be handy to leave it AC charging just for a top up for 30-45 mins when shopping in the evening, the car park is mostly empty at that time anyway.

The old app used to say but the new version doesn't

I've not used the luas chargers but I would imagine if the parking was free before the charging was paid for then it's still free.

The parking and charging are paid to different companies, so it's doubtful they're sharing money

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Only have data for the last 9 hour or so, but it looks like of the 112 fast chargers in the country, 72 were in use at some point today (in use is defined by a Chademo and CCS port not being available, because 1 of those 2 ports was in use. I ignore the AC43 port). The remaining 40 were not used in the last 9 hours. Be interesting to see this over time.

Harder to read the SCP stats, since when 1 port is available the unit is available, but it might nicely identify the "always in use" slow chargers.

That's awesome, it's great to see the majority of fast chargers are getting used

Black_Knight

Only have data for the last 9 hour or so, but it looks like of the 112 fast chargers in the country, 72 were in use at some point today (in use is defined by a Chademo and CCS port not being available, because 1 of those 2 ports was in use. I ignore the AC43 port). The remaining 40 were not used in the last 9 hours. Be interesting to see this over time.

Harder to read the SCP stats, since when 1 port is available the unit is available, but it might nicely identify the "always in use" slow chargers.