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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly can't tell if I'm watching sky news or a Saturday Night Live sketch.

Is this live or from.4 weeks ago because honestly if its.live then he is just repeating the same lines over and over and over again.

[Deleted User]

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Is this live or from.4 weeks ago because honestly if its.live then he is just repeating the same lines over and over and over again.

Its live.

[Deleted User]

This was posted elsewhere on boards and it's just one of those clips that shows how quickly things degenerated. Sure, in Congress things had been going to **** for a while but when one thinks of how Bush was thought of yet he makes a speech like that and he is obviously hit by the significance of Obama's election and to be honest doesn't look in the least bit disappointed his party lost. To go from that to what we had/have 8/12 years later is incredible.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This was posted elsewhere on boards and it's just one of those clips that shows how quickly things degenerated. Sure, in Congress things had been going to **** for a while but when one thinks of how Bush was thought of yet he makes a speech like that and he is obviously hit by the significance of Obama's election and to be honest doesn't look in the least bit disappointed his party lost. To go from that to what we had/have 8/12 years later is incredible.

What kind of a f**ked up world are we living in when George W. Bush looks exceptionally humble, polite and dare i say it statesman-like compared to the current Commander in Chief?

Professor Moriarty

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its live.

To be fair, it looks as if he is fighting fit. Talking sh1te but in good shape nonetheless.

[Deleted User]

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

To be fair, it looks as if he is fighting fit. Talking sh1te but in good shape nonetheless.

Those pills are great. Wish I had some for the morning.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

What kind of a f**ked up world are we living in when George W. Bush looks exceptionally humble, polite and dare i say it statesman-like compared to the current Commander in Chief?

Bush derangement syndrome was a genuine thing compared to Trump derangement syndrome

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bush derangement syndrome was a genuine thing compared to Trump derangement syndrome

There was a time when no one thought we could get worse than Bush. Then look what happened.

[Deleted User]

Genuinely happy to see him in apparent good health. Him dying a martyr would have been a disaster.

Jack1985

Another idiot GOP Govenor, DeSantis this time. Truly amazing conduct from this party.

https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1315770048431226891?s=20

quokula

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

To be fair, it looks as if he is fighting fit. Talking sh1te but in good shape nonetheless.

I've been disappointed by the amount of continued speculation about his health in more respectable media. It's a dangerous virus but many people do recover from it just fine. Trump is now one of them, with tax payer funded access to the finest health care in the world no doubt helping him along, so he can get back to doing his level best at ensuring nobody else gets access to such socialised health care.

The focus needs to be brought back to what a terrible job he's been doing, rather than perpetuating myths that he could keel over at any minute if not for magic drugs keeping him going.

Tell me how

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This has been the main problem for the Trump campaign.

They are have been flailing around trying to find a message that sticks and none really have , but in part it's because they have changed tack so often.

Last Time it was very clear and simple
Build the Wall

Lock Her Up

MAGA!

They have been all over the map this time around.

None of it sticks because everything contradicts each other and none of it makes sense.

This is echoed on the ground. A Republican campaign office in New Hampshire I passed recently had a massive poster outside it saying 'Make America Great Again' and a massive poster on the window saying 'Keep America Great Again'.

The 2 posters in use in such close proximity to each other highlighted how conflicting the message is leading people to think neither flag is believable.

Tell me how

Remember back when Trump was on about Blue states being the ones to poorly handle Covid?

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1315856349964759040?s=19

banie01

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There was a time when no one thought we could get worse than Bush. Then look what happened.

As a fantastic boss of mine was wont to say at times of user error...

Just when you think you've managed to make something idiot proof!
They release idiot mk2!

Seems like the US has managed the same trick with Presidents.
Imagine what worse than Trump looks like?

They'll get there yet!

20Cent

"I feel so powerful, I'll walk into that audience. I'll walk in there, I'll kiss everyone in that audience," Trump said yesterday. "I'll kiss the guys and the beautiful women and the -- everybody. I'll just give everybody a big, fat kiss."

Reminds me of my clubbing days.
High as a kite.

Gbear

Deleted User wrote: »

There was a time when no one thought we could get worse than Bush. Then look what happened.

He might be worse on a technical level than Bush. He might be worse at the actual day to day.

But Bush's destruction of the Middle East is perhaps the biggest blunder and biggest atrocity committed by any US president, save possibly Andrew Jackson.

I think Bush is still worse, and it's not even close, because as well as everything that his tenure cost in concrete terms - money, lives lost, and so on, it also laid the way for the current state of geopolitics. Trump could not have come to power without the disastrous wars and wave of xenophobia genereted by the Bush adminstration, and that wasn't limited to the US. The growth of the far right across the EU can be traced to the collapse of ME governments, the ensuing rise of ISIS, and the refugee crisis it created. And one could also make a strong argument that his presidency contributed to Brexit, as Blair's wedding of his regime to Bush's was to a large degree responsible for the collapse of New Labour.

He also presided over the greatest economic crash in a generation, and if we're being honest, Trump is only a minor contributor to the current one, whereas Bush couldn't blame his on Covid.

What Bush showed is the danger of a serious, if not competent, Republican presidency. Romney, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz or any of the other establishment figures would've brought the same incompetence and amorality, because the Republican party doesn't select for skilled administrators with a functional sense of morality. It selects for ruthlessness and party loyalty.

Quin_Dub

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hirondelle

quokula wrote: »

I've been disappointed by the amount of continued speculation about his health in more respectable media. It's a dangerous virus but many people do recover from it just fine. Trump is now one of them, with tax payer funded access to the finest health care in the world no doubt helping him along, so he can get back to doing his level best at ensuring nobody else gets access to such socialised health care.

The focus needs to be brought back to what a terrible job he's been doing, rather than perpetuating myths that he could keel over at any minute if not for magic drugs keeping him going.

To be fair, Trump has lunged from feeling twenty years younger to apparently being in mortal danger- his wheezing balcony performance clearly showing continued effects at that stage. So Trump has massively invited speculation on his state of health because the man cannot be trusted on what he says from one hour to the next.

Detritus70

Gbear wrote: »

He might be worse on a technical level than Bush. He might be worse at the actual day to day.

But Bush's destruction of the Middle East is perhaps the biggest blunder and biggest atrocity committed by any US president, save possibly Andrew Jackson.

I think Bush is still worse, and it's not even close, because as well as everything that his tenure cost in concrete terms - money, lives lost, and so on, it also laid the way for the current state of geopolitics. Trump could not have come to power without the disastrous wars and wave of xenophobia genereted by the Bush adminstration, and that wasn't limited to the US. The growth of the far right across the EU can be traced to the collapse of ME governments, the ensuing rise of ISIS, and the refugee crisis it created. And one could also make a strong argument that his presidency contributed to Brexit, as Blair's wedding of his regime to Bush's was to a large degree responsible for the collapse of New Labour.

He also presided over the greatest economic crash in a generation, and if we're being honest, Trump is only a minor contributor to the current one, whereas Bush couldn't blame his on Covid.

What Bush showed is the danger of a serious, if not competent, Republican presidency. Romney, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz or any of the other establishment figures would've brought the same incompetence and amorality, because the Republican party doesn't select for skilled administrators with a functional sense of morality. It selects for ruthlessness and party loyalty.

When looking at the 60's, people point to Woodstock being the closing bell of the hippie era. Where the dream came crashing down and it all went to sh*te.
I view the 90's as the second 60's (fall of the wall, soviets becoming all free and cuddly), and 9/11 as the event that brought that dream crashing down.
All the sh*t we're seing going down in the world is a direct result of that. The hate and fear that generated led to ISIS, Bush and finally Trump.
Bush was outwardly hostile, but Trump takes care of fear, hate and xenophobia domestically.
It was a seismic event, just like the assasination of Franz Ferdinand.
I'm sure future historians can draw an almost straight line from 9/11 to Trump (and beyond?).
Let's hope the next cuddly, feel-good era is just around the corner.

The Raging Bile Duct

Detritus70 wrote: »

When looking at the 60's, people point to Woodstock being the closing bell of the hippie era. Where the dream came crashing down and it all went to sh*te.
I view the 90's as the second 60's (fall of the wall, soviets becoming all free and cuddly), and 9/11 as the event that brought that dream crashing down.
All the sh*t we're seing going down in the world is a direct result of that. The hate and fear that generated led to ISIS, Bush and finally Trump.
Bush was outwardly hostile, but Trump takes care of fear, hate and xenophobia domestically.
It was a seismic event, just like the assasination of Franz Ferdinand.
I'm sure future historians can draw an almost straight line from 9/11 to Trump (and beyond?).
Let's hope the next cuddly, feel-good era is just around the corner.

I wouldn't have seen Woodstock ever being painted as the closing bell of the hippie era. Altamont and the Manson Murders are regularly brought up as the death knell of the hippie dream. I'd put the Kent State killings into the mix there as well.

ZeroThreat

Detritus70 wrote: »

When looking at the 60's, people point to Woodstock being the closing bell of the hippie era. Where the dream came crashing down and it all went to sh*te.
I view the 90's as the second 60's (fall of the wall, soviets becoming all free and cuddly), and 9/11 as the event that brought that dream crashing down.
All the sh*t we're seing going down in the world is a direct result of that. The hate and fear that generated led to ISIS, Bush and finally Trump.
Bush was outwardly hostile, but Trump takes care of fear, hate and xenophobia domestically.
It was a seismic event, just like the assasination of Franz Ferdinand.
I'm sure future historians can draw an almost straight line from 9/11 to Trump (and beyond?).
Let's hope the next cuddly, feel-good era is just around the corner.

nah, we're more likely well overdue for the next world war.

aloyisious

Gbear wrote: »

He might be worse on a technical level than Bush. He might be worse at the actual day to day.

But Bush's destruction of the Middle East is perhaps the biggest blunder and biggest atrocity committed by any US president, save possibly Andrew Jackson.

I think Bush is still worse, and it's not even close, because as well as everything that his tenure cost in concrete terms - money, lives lost, and so on, it also laid the way for the current state of geopolitics. Trump could not have come to power without the disastrous wars and wave of xenophobia genereted by the Bush adminstration, and that wasn't limited to the US. The growth of the far right across the EU can be traced to the collapse of ME governments, the ensuing rise of ISIS, and the refugee crisis it created. And one could also make a strong argument that his presidency contributed to Brexit, as Blair's wedding of his regime to Bush's was to a large degree responsible for the collapse of New Labour.

He also presided over the greatest economic crash in a generation, and if we're being honest, Trump is only a minor contributor to the current one, whereas Bush couldn't blame his on Covid.

What Bush showed is the danger of a serious, if not competent, Republican presidency. Romney, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz or any of the other establishment figures would've brought the same incompetence and amorality, because the Republican party doesn't select for skilled administrators with a functional sense of morality. It selects for ruthlessness and party loyalty.

Looking back at that Bush presidency, I see a difference between his and Trumps. Bush had what amounted to a M.I.C. union in his Admin high-fiving each other [after he was elected] with freedom for Halliburton to do what it wanted. He didn't have much interest in what they were doing as long as things were running the way the GOP wanted.

Trump's is different in that he wants total control of the steering wheel for a feeling of personal well-being and is totally indifferent to what happens to the U.S in general and, in particular, those people in Washington he [putting it mildly] has a strong sense of inferiority to.

Heading back to the thread's point, I hope 2021 is a better year for the U.S and the world with a better person in office in the Oval Office.

Detritus70

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

I wouldn't have seen Woodstock ever being painted as the closing bell of the hippie era. Altamont and the Manson Murders are regularly brought up as the death knell of the hippie dream. I'd put the Kent State killings into the mix there as well.

Oh, yes, of course, you are absolutely correct. Woodstock was more like the last Hurrah, the crest of the wave as Hunter S. Thompson put it.

aloyisious

Texas Appeal court ruled against earlier decision by other court that Gov Abbott was wrong to limit the drop-box to one per county, the number is to stay at one pre county. The appeal court based its decision not to overturn Gov Abbotts order on the grounds that it was part of his EXPANSION of voters rights in Texas. I'll have to google the completeness of Gov Abbott voters rights expansion to see where restricting the number of drop-in boxes fits within his plan.

banie01

Don made bold claims regarding immunity last night.
Took risks with the crowd and close contact.

I hope no one there (Don included) finds themselves regretting that based on recent reporting via BBC from the Lancet.

Scientists say the patient caught coronavirus twice, rather than the original infection becoming dormant and then bouncing back. A comparison of the genetic codes of the virus taken during each bout of symptoms showed they were too distinct to be caused by the same infection.

"Our findings signal that a previous infection may not necessarily protect against future infection," said Dr Mark Pandori, from the University of Nevada.

"The possibility of reinfections could have significant implications for our understanding of Covid-19 immunity."

Its as if the Universe waits for Don to make a statement, then boom! You're WRONG!

Tell me how

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1315856349964759040?s=19

I posted the above last night. Note the country at the top of the list at the end of the video.

This video is from Trumps Florida rally yesterday.

https://twitter.com/CBSMiami/status/1315816646880231424

That is the Florida Governor, Ron DeSantis, maskless and high fiving at least ten people in the crowd in just one video. In 50 years time, people are going to look at videos like these and laugh at the ignorance of people in 2020.

Foxtrol

aloyisious wrote: »

Texas Appeal court ruled against earlier decision by other court that Gov Abbott was wrong to limit the drop-box to one per county, the number is to stay at one pre county. The appeal court based its decision not to overturn Gov Abbotts order on the grounds that it was part of his EXPANSION of voters rights in Texas. I'll have to google the completeness of Gov Abbott voters rights expansion to see where restricting the number of drop-in boxes fits within his plan.

It is working off the thinking that zero drop off boxes is the baseline, so reducing them to one per county is still more than the zero they originally had.

Below is a good thread about all the problems there are with the judgement

https://twitter.com/JoshuaADouglas/status/1315887566638415873?s=20

Foxtrol

quokula wrote: »

I've been disappointed by the amount of continued speculation about his health in more respectable media. It's a dangerous virus but many people do recover from it just fine. Trump is now one of them, with tax payer funded access to the finest health care in the world no doubt helping him along, so he can get back to doing his level best at ensuring nobody else gets access to such socialised health care.

The focus needs to be brought back to what a terrible job he's been doing, rather than perpetuating myths that he could keel over at any minute if not for magic drugs keeping him going.

I somewhat disagree with your position.

The media have a job to do to call bullsh1t on what Trump is saying and doing. Trump is likely still getting the benefits of the steroids he was on and is still likely shedding the disease to those around him. To ignore it is potentially putting the lives of viewers in peril, for those that decide to follow Trumps lead and go out while sick to 'not let it dominate' them.

Igotadose

Foxtrol wrote: »

I somewhat disagree with your position.

The media have a job to do to call bullsh1t on what Trump is saying and doing. Trump is likely still getting the benefits of the steroids he was on and is still likely shedding the disease to those around him. To ignore it is potentially putting the lives of viewers in peril, for those that decide to follow Trumps lead and go out while sick to 'not let it dominate' them.

He might even be getting more treatments. We'll never know, and the latest campaign ads and spew are mostly lies.

Bozacke

Totally disgusting, during the Amy Coney Barrett hearing, Lyndsey Graham is bragging about all the time he spends on the golf course with Trump. Knowing Graham’s track record, as soon as Trump is out, he’ll be saying he hardly knew him.