dundalkfc10 wrote: » You accusing anyone of Hyperbole or exaggeration is the funniest thing I've seen on boards in a while. The fact of the matter is our Govt is failing in its attempts to control Covid, that cannot be denied. Going against NHEPT's advice is and was going to have serious concequences just like we were told and still nothing been done. We have failed in having enough extra beds in hospital that we were told we needed in March, testing and tracing in airports still no existent, Gardaí still given no powers to stop people breaking restrictions (or turn a blind eye, i.e protests in Dublin), the leaving cert results and start to college year has been one big **** up, failed in giving extra support to people out of work and in danger on going in mortgage arrears. The 1 thing they have done correct was 2 weekends ago when they kept the phone calls quiet with NHEPT and Minister Health quiet to try and get the weak link in the Govt to not run his mouth to the press, and the clown went ahead and did it anyway. The words were 'The Govt' had no idea this was coming, no he didn't know it was coming the people in Govt who needed to know knew
Bishop of hope wrote: » Not at all, we are failing in Govts attempts to control the virus. Utter disdainful crap of a post mostly blinded by a bias that isn't worthy of a serious discussion. Not pointing fingers at anywhere else even, but a lot of people are fed up of restricting themselves everywhere now, covid is spreading world wide and restrictions are being ignored. The CMO every evening now is appealing to people, not govt, to obey the restrictions in place, but sadly its falling on a lot of deaf ears.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » "MOVING TO LEVEL 5 restrictions is the “only opportunity” to get Covid-19 back “under control”, Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan warned in a letter to Government last night." Ogf course he is on now every evening begging the people to listen, but why would the people listen if the Govt wont listen?
blanch152 wrote: » Level 3 was imposed in Dublin, and the numbers there have stabilised as people have generally co-operated with the restrictions. The numbers in hospital are under control. At current numbers in Dublin, the system appears to be able to cope. Outside Dublin, we have seen a rise over the last few weeks, but Level 3 is only more recently imposed there. In the border counties, there is a particular problem, with the spillover from Northern Ireland. Our government has a challenge to deal with the clowns in the North who are incapable of any sort of decision-making. We will probably need Level 4 in Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal, because of that spillover issue. You can only measure a government's performance on Covid-19 compared to others, and there is no doubt that compared to other countries in the region, we are doing relatively well, despite the doommongerers like yourself. Just taking one of your points, the PSNI have the power to impose fines, the Garda don't, yet the rates are higher in Northern Ireland. Why? Does the awarding of powers to police lessen the personal responsibility? Spluttering every twenty minutes that the government is doing a bad job, (when the facts suggest otherwise when you compare) is just silly.
smurgen wrote: » The Irish people done their bit. We done an extended hard lockdown diligently to give government breathing space to get their ****e together and add hospital capacity etc. In the meantime they went on holidays. They didn't do their part.
Bishop of hope wrote: » People need to listen, levels are just levels, we all know that over contact and mixing with others and poor hygiene is the spreader, it's us that are spreading the virus. This country can't survive level five restriction after level five restriction. It's ridiculous the message hasn't gotten through to people and its ridiculous that anyone blames the govt for their own stupidity.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » So the people blaiming the Govt up North on these threads are wrong, its actually the people and nothing to do with SF up North. Least we have got that straight
McMurphy wrote: » Have you any data that backs up people in border towns from the north are bringing it over to the south? Or is this a speculation you've plucked from an orifice where the sun don't shine?
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Or could it be people from the border counties in the Republic bringing it over the border, making it worse both sides. We will need to see some date from the lads on that one?
Bishop of hope wrote: » Yes, cross spread is a big problem, close the border except for essential movements might help there.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Il ask this question which nobody has answered. How can we close the border? Who will police it? Their is over 300 border crossings in the island, thats not counting private roads which start in the Republic and end in the North (I know 3 of them on top of my head)? What protectins will be in place to police these borders from attacks from the Provo's or Loyalists? What about all the kids from the North who go to school in Dundalk (and other places) and all the kids from Dundalk or who to school in Newry etc?
blanch152 wrote: » Are people like children that they need policing all the time? I restrict my movements to my county, despite there being no law requiring me to do so, yet you are suggesting that people would not be able to do so in the case of the border without policing? Bishop suggested closing the border except for essential movement. That means travel for educational purposes is allowed. Foregoing cheap shopping across the border for people in Dundalk is a small price to pay to keep us safe.
Bishop of hope wrote: » So your solution is add hospital capacity and weather the virus through greater hospitalisations? That's the school of thought that spreads the virus iwht. A bit of cop on would be the better option.
blanch152 wrote: » Higher rates in the North, lower rates in the South but with rates rising as you approach the border. The figures don't lie. Possible explanations: (1) People in the South are genetically different to the North and less prone to the disease. (2) Government in the North is less competent at managing the pandemic than the government in the South. (3) Spillover from the North to the South (4) People in the South are following the guidelines better than people in the North Pick your one or two of those reasons.
Nobotty wrote: » The north are doing about half the number of tests as the south despite being a third of the population Now they've a very good testing regime
blanch152 wrote: » Higher rates in the North, lower rates in the South but with rates rising as you approach the border. The figures don't lie. Possible explanations:(1) People in the South are genetically different to the North and less prone to the disease. (2) Government in the North is less competent at managing the pandemic than the government in the South. (3) Spillover from the North to the South (4) People in the South are following the guidelines better than people in the North Pick your one or two of those reasons.
