evosteo wrote: » Feel so sorry for the staff. Similar to clerys some would have worked there 20+ years if not alot longer. Pretty much told on an email this morning that the the shutters were staying down, thanks for your service and best of luck evening after saying thta the UK operations were going into administration and the irish arm was unaffected. I knew myself they were in trouble but I feel they have used this crisis as a perfect oportunity to burn their staff too who will now only be entitled to statutory rednudancy. Strange that they have anounced the store closures but in another breath mention they are still trading online. debenhams.ie???? still in existance/gone out of existance? Strange one
RGARDINR wrote: » Is the stock still in their stores in Ireland?
GerardKeating wrote: » It was in Galway the other day.
ongarboy wrote: » According to the news, most workers are not accepting the additional offer being proposed as it just means a paltry few hundred Euro for the majority.
Deleted User wrote: » I see they’ve escalated their protest. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40044932.html Do they think that they’ll draw blood from a stone? They’ll still get their statutory payment. The offer on the table would have given some over €1,000 extra. Yet, they’re hell bent on making themselves unemployable by their actions.
ziedth wrote: » To be fair I read that quite a few of the staff have service carried over from Roaches Stores which gives them between 20-30 years service...... if they are looking for 4 weeks per year (Again not a crazy amount) That is allot more than €1k extra....... Likes of Store Managers you could be talking €20k+ in the difference
Deleted User wrote: » Their Roche’s Stores time doesn’t enter into the equation. Different employers. They’re already getting the statutory 2 weeks. The figure of €1k extra was just a simple division. €1,000,000/1,000. Debenhams in the Uk are in trouble too. It might be one days wages for a few, but not for most.
L1011 wrote: » The Roches time does count - TUPE. Or else a company trying to slash a redundancy bill would just "sell" to a new holdingco owned by a different part of its group. The stock that they think has value to hold as ransom against the liquidators is now effectively valueless - its Spring/Summer 2020 + whatever old stuff was in the stores. Its fit to be sold to TK Maxx at maybe 5% of ticket price if even; so take whatever millions they claim there is in stock and divide it by 20.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Trouble is that the workers are listening to eegits like Paul Murphy who’s telling them that the liquidators aren’t giving them what they’re entitled to. They are only entitled to 2 weeks per year’s service, once they’ve been employed 2 years. That’s what they’re getting. There are others, suppliers, etc., who have a bigger claim on any monies available. Debenhams have been in trouble for decades. The sinking ship should have been abandoned by the workers before now.
RGARDINR wrote: » I do feel for staff but they should of jumped on this offer but hopefully we're wrong and KPMG increase the million to even 2 or 3 million.
[Deleted User] wrote: » KPMG don’t have to do any more. The staff are getting statutory payment. That’s all they’re entitled to. The business is gone. No point in flogging a dead horse. They’re doing themselves more harm than good in continuing their militant stance and making themselves unemployable.
Deleted User wrote: » KPMG don’t have to do any more. The staff are getting statutory payment. That’s all they’re entitled to. The business is gone. No point in flogging a dead horse. They’re doing themselves more harm than good in continuing their militant stance and making themselves unemployable.
trixi001 wrote: » I doubt KPMG are allowed to do anymore KPMG have a duty to pay the creditors as much as they possibly can - not even sure how they were allowed to offer €1m - perhaps under the argument, that paying it means they can get the stock and get on with the liquidation..thus making some money for the creditors. At the end of the day, Debenhams is in liqudation - the liquidators can't just give assets away, the government can't just write off Debenhams debt (think of the precedent it would set...) The only hope Debenhams have of getting the money is if Debenhams UK (as the parent company) pays up
RGARDINR wrote: » That's why I think the staff should of taken it. They got shafted big time but they won't get what they are looking for. I do have sympathy for them I really do but they should of took the money. Sold stock got 33% on that for staff they might of sold a nice amount in the 2 shops. Now they will most likely get nothing and something is better then nothing.
Deleted User wrote: » I wonder what they’re living on as they cannot claim unemployment benefit/assistance while on strike.
C3PO wrote: » Are you sure that they have not all been laid off?
Deleted User wrote: » Yes. All laid off with statutory redundancy. Some have found alternative employment, but some small number reckon that they’re entitled to more, so are on strike, which prohibits them claiming unemployment welfare payments. Court case coming up in the week.
StackSteevens wrote: » For me the real tragedy is that, misled by cyncial fraudsters like Paul Murphy - someone who will never face life on the dole - the workers' actions have probably ensured that they'll never find employment in the retail sector for the rest of their working lives. The second tragedy is that they don't seem smart enough to realise that they've being misled and used for political purposes.
Deleted User wrote: » Murphy and his ilk have a lot to answer for. Reading his social media posts, you’d think that the strikers were left high and dry. Not so. They got their redundancy, wages owed and holiday pay. As you rightly say, they’re only making themselves unemployable by their actions but are too stupid to see it. The stock they claim to be guarding is now out of date and worthless.
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