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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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mynamejeff

Odhinn wrote: »

So you reject the founders of the state?

lol

who Arthur Griffiths ?

Odhinn

mynamejeff wrote: »

lol

who Arthur Griffiths ?

No, Michael Collins. You might spare us the intellectual dishonesty.

mynamejeff

Odhinn wrote: »

No, Michael Collins. You might spare us the intellectual dishonesty.

lol

some party to rewrite history

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You didn't 'partake' mark. You just made up stuff I said and then constructed a reply.

The default rebuttal.

"You are just making stuff up, hummpp!"

No, I live in reality, you do not with these outlandish invasion plans of yours.
If you don't want to be called on the rubbish you spout, don't spout rubbish. Simple.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

The default rebuttal.

"You are just making stuff up, hummpp!"

No, I live in reality, you do not with these outlandish invasion plans of yours.
If you don't want to be called on the rubbish you spout, don't spout rubbish. Simple.

Some poster to rewrite posts.

markodaly

Sweet.Science wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/budget-2021-sinn-f%C3%A9in-says-now-is-not-the-time-for-fiscal-conservatism-1.4376584?mode=amp

Sun moon and the stars

It is nonsense.

They want to increase the tax on those doctors, consultants and health professionals they want to recruit. Good luck with that 'plan'.

:D

A 'solidarity' tax as well. :pac::pac:

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Some poster to rewrite posts.

I am not rewriting anything, just putting a nail into the invasion plan of yours.

Your credibility is being shot by continuing to go on about it.
Sometimes its just time to admit you were wrong.

markodaly

Surprised to be honest that the usual SF supporters don't seem to be commenting on the fact that over the past 24 hours, there has been over 1,000 new cases of Covid-19 record in the North, the worst on record and afaik, the worst in Europe.

Are SF HQ finally going to admit that their political rally they held for an abuser of women and a common criminal, did untold damage to the fight against this pandemic. MoN hinted at it anyway.

https://www.thejournal.ie/michelle-oneill-public-health-damaged-5200733-Sep2020/

SINN FÉIN’S LEADER in the North Michelle O’Neill has admitted that Stormont’s public health message has been undermined by the Sinn Féin leadership’s attendance at Bobby Storey’s funeral.

Is it time for MoN or resign?

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Surprised to be honest that the usual SF supporters don't seem to be commenting on the fact that over the past 24 hours, there has been over 1,000 new cases of Covid-19 record in the North, the worst on record and afaik, the worst in Europe.

Are SF HQ finally going to admit that their political rally they held for an abuser of women and a common criminal, did untold damage to the fight against this pandemic. MoN hinted at it anyway.

https://www.thejournal.ie/michelle-oneill-public-health-damaged-5200733-Sep2020/

Is it time for MoN or resign?

I commented Mark...but not to make political gain from some macabre competition.

There are 'people' involved here and their lives. Have some empathy if not some decency.

Odhinn

mynamejeff wrote: »

lol

some party to rewrite history

So do you reject Collins contribution to the foundation of the state?

Gunmonkey

markodaly wrote: »

It is nonsense.

They want to increase the tax on those doctors, consultants and health professionals they want to recruit. Good luck with that 'plan'. :D

A 'solidarity' tax as well. :pac::pac:

Im more wondering where they hope to find these 2500 doctors/nurses/consultants? Doubt many countries would be happy us poaching their medical staff during a global pandemic.

Mucking with tax credits bugs me a lot though, was always mainly fair how they were applied like child benefit....you just "got it". Double so as it seems to only apply to singly assessed tax filings; would this mean a case where one partner works and the other doesnt wont get tax credits but a working couple would, if the earned the same amount?

Sweet.Science

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Im more wondering where they hope to find these 2500 doctors/nurses/consultants? Doubt many countries would be happy us poaching their medical staff during a global pandemic.

Mucking with tax credits bugs me a lot though, was always mainly fair how they were applied like child benefit....you just "got it". Double so as it seems to only apply to singly assessed tax filings; would this mean a case where one partner works and the other doesnt wont get tax credits but a working couple would, if the earned the same amount?

You're better off not thinking about it too much . It's very funny though . Plucking numbers out of thin air . A billion here . A billion there . Like a bunch of 10 year olds

Bishop of hope

I pointed out the other day the hypocrisy of SF.
The only measure they have increased in the north this week to deal with the virus is increased fines with full SF agreement.
Driving to work this morning listening to my local radio, Shannonside fm when on pops a soundbite from Martin Kenny SF giving out about the fines as enforcement measures here!

LOL

smurgen

Sweet.Science wrote: »

You're better off not thinking about it too much . It's very funny though . Plucking numbers out of thin air . A billion here . A billion there . Like a bunch of 10 year olds

You're right spending money on healthcare is lunatic stuff. Best give more tax breaks to larry goodman and co.

https://twitter.com/IHCA_IE/status/1314835535786106880?s=19

landofthetree

smurgen wrote: »

You're right spending money on healthcare is lunatic stuff. Best give more tax breaks to larry goodman and co.

https://twitter.com/IHCA_IE/status/1314835535786106880?s=19

Without reform it is.

Ireland spends as much per capita on health as the likes of Germany.

Over the last ten years were have invested a huge amount in health. Around a 50% increase per person.

Valerie Ryan reviews the Government’s mid-year spending review, which highlights that expenditure per head on health rose from more than €2,100 to an excess of €3,000 in the space of only 10 years

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

You're right spending money on healthcare is lunatic stuff. Best give more tax breaks to larry goodman and co.

https://twitter.com/IHCA_IE/status/1314835535786106880?s=19

Notwithstanding that I agree that our healthcare service is in crisis, I'm wondering whom you think is going to fix it.
Is it SF, because they preside over a shambles themselves north of the border.
This is from last year before the covid crisis appeared.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-health-service-at-point-of-collapse-as-waiting-lists-hit-record-high-38736198.html

Nobotty

If you tried to fix the mis managed health service properly you'd have a strike

Ask yourself how for 7 or 800 a year a person can have decent private health cover,no queues, no trolleys,straight in

smurgen

landofthetree wrote: »

Without reform it is.

Ireland spends as much per capita on health as the likes of Germany.

Over the last ten years were have invested a huge amount in health. Around a 50% increase per person.

And who's been managing it all along? Leo varadkar, michael Martin and Simon Harris were all health Ministers. They set out Ireland's call to the dispora of health care workers and 73,000 responded. Of those hired? 209 as of August. Don't act like there's a plan. It's meaningless pr move after pr move.

Bishop of hope

Nobotty wrote: »

If you tried to fix the mis managed health service properly you'd have a strike

Ask yourself how for 7 or 800 a year a person can have decent private health cover,no queues, no trolleys,straight in

Not in any disagreement Nobot.
Ask yourself also why is NI, and not just it but whole UK no better.
Most healthcare systems have disparity.
Saying that throwing money at it is going to solve it isn't the answer either imo, it's much more than that that's wrong.

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landofthetree wrote: »

Without reform it is.

Ireland spends as much per capita on health as the likes of Germany.

Over the last ten years were have invested a huge amount in health. Around a 50% increase per person.

...and Germany's average age is 45.5 compared to 35.3 in Ireland.

Ireland has fewer older people with older people more strain on the health system.
Healthcare costs shouldn't be as great are they are in Ireland.

source https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php with data from 2013.

Nobotty

smurgen wrote: »

And who's been managing it all along? .

Unions and civil servants I'm afraid
Same thing is happening up north
It must be an Irish thing
Fostered by decades of political fear to touch it properly
Maybe sláinte care will work and maybe lessons learned out of the paperwork cutting in April and May will work
It better

smurgen

Nobotty wrote: »

Unions and civil servants I'm afraid
Same thing is happening up north
It must be an Irish thing
Fostered by decades of political fear to touch it properly
Maybe sláinte care will work and maybe lessons learned out of the paperwork cutting in April and May will work
It better

Germany has stronger unions than ireland in all aspects of private and public industry.if unions are the issue how come Germany's health care system is helping the more privatised, less unionized health care systems?

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

Germany has stronger unions than ireland in all aspects of private and public industry.if unions are the issue how come Germany's health care system is helping the more privatised, less unionized health care systems?

But their system is far from being perfect either, in fact it's finding it hard to overcome decades of neglect too.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/31/germ-m31.html

landofthetree

smurgen wrote: »

And who's been managing it all along? Leo varadkar, michael Martin and Simon Harris were all health Ministers. They set out Ireland's call to the dispora of health care workers and 73,000 responded. Of those hired? 209 as of August. Don't act like there's a plan. It's meaningless pr move after pr move.

SF have made no proposals to reform.

They even backed Slaintecare which offers no reform.

landofthetree

Nobotty wrote: »

If you tried to fix the mis managed health service properly you'd have a strike

Ask yourself how for 7 or 800 a year a person can have decent private health cover,no queues, no trolleys,straight in

The amount of people who have no health insurance but easily spend that much on alcohol in a year must be pretty high.

Nobotty

smurgen wrote: »

Germany has stronger unions than ireland in all aspects of private and public industry.if unions are the issue how come Germany's health care system is helping the more privatised, less unionized health care systems?

Ireland has special unions and special people leading to special problems

maccored

are the usual going to keep on bitching about the north now our figures are as bad?

Bishop of hope

maccored wrote: »

are the usual going to keep on bitching about the north now our figures are as bad?

But they're not.

mynamejeff

maccored wrote: »

are the usual going to keep on bitching about the north now our figures are as bad?

ours ?

aren't you a northerner ?

Truthvader

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But they're not.

Could easily be though. Seems to me that no government can just legislate or police it away. If sections of the public (hullo Gemma) choose to behave in stupid ways the virus will run and run. The border or the government on either side wont be a factor