work wrote: » Shocked. I bought a shell of a house, never finished, so it has planning, foundations and walls. The roof could do with replacing. It is about 1800 sq ft. I thought 150-200k to complete but got QS at over 300k. Given all present this seems whacky! Any ideas how to review this? Should I chat to another architect or engineer? Really would appreciate advice as going over 200k is not really viable?
ECO_Mental wrote: » PM sent...I think!
kyler_87 wrote: » Hi all, 80% through our self build in Cork, 30 mins from city. 1950sqft bungalow,rectangular. 1 main bathroom, 1 ensuite. 450 sqft kitchen and dining area with vaulted ceiling. South facing rear, with fair bit of glazing. Costs below , broken out by fees and build costs. A3 rating minimum.Fees Planning and Design 2500 Percolation and Site Suitablity 950 Cork CC Dues 3500 Construction Supevision | Engineer 7500 QS 800 PSDP 1300 BER Design & Assessment 1000 Solicitor | Land Transfter & Mortgage 1800 Stamp duty 6000 ESB Connection 2600 Total 28KBasic House Builder's payment 209000 Heating 15200 Windows 15750 Fencing 3045 Water (Incl Steeltech Shed) 10000 Plumbing (not ware) 4000 MHVR System 4700 Total 262KFinishes Bathroom Ware 4000 Flooring & Tiles 6000 Appliances 5820 Kitchen & Utility 21000 Painting ?? Furniture?? Light fittings?? Flue/Stoves 5130 Blinds/Curtains ?? Site Levelling 4250 Total Estimated 60K Overall: 28K fees 262K - shell of house with running water, heat and electricity ~322K relatively turn-key build cost + 28K fees = 350K Notes: Main contractor did groundwork, foundations, blockwork, roof, internal plastering, sewage (biocycle unit and raised bed perc) and electrics, internal carpentry. A2W heating system installed. Ashgrove in Kanturk. Just said I'd share some real world costs. Any questions, just shout.
eire1987 wrote: » Do you mind if I ask how good are ashgrove??? We are planning to go with them.... Starting a timber frame house (2100sq ft) in Cork. No Brick!! At €130 sq ft (Groundwork Houseframe kitchen flooring Inc)
BryanF wrote: » Lads take it to PM thanks
Abbey127 wrote: » Would doing the foundation yourself save a good bit as my father would be doing this and will be building on his land , he built a house on it a few years ago so planning wont be a problem,
CorkRed93 wrote: » Aware my question is very general but looking for ball park figure of price per sqm to build in Cork. Looking to either build or buy in the next 18 months. Parents+Family advising me to build but don't know if its worth it, seeing some of the figures thrown around here.
vinnie_cork wrote: » Will your bank and engineer sign off on this? Building regs now verses then is a different animal.
P Wex wrote: » Soon to start self build in North Wexford, we own the site, planning permission has been granted, and provisional BER completed, house is to be 2800 sq ft, block wall with PIR cavity insulation, underfloor heating, air to water pump. Our budget from here is around €400k, does this sound like will be enough to get us to turn key?
ECO_Mental wrote: » well if that's the case then I think you should be ok, there are plenty of people on here who built a house direct labor for that price if not less.
MacDanger wrote: » We're just looking into the costs of a self-build and specifically, the fees associated with it. At the moment, we have roughly the following (incl. VAT): Architect: 26k incl. construction Structural Engineer: 6k Topo survey: 500 Percolation: 1k PSDP: 500 Energy consultant: 1k Connection fees: 4k Council levy (Mayo): 8k Planning application fees: 500 Do those look reasonable? Construction budget is 400k Obviously the architect fees are the top cost and I know it's a personal thing but would be interested in hearing what people who've built think about that cost compared to say an alternative we're looking at that would be ~18k. I think paying for a good architect is probably worth it but it's hard to know until you actually see what he provides. Also, on the structural engineer (assuming it's a fairly straight forward site & design), does that seem like a reasonable cost? Do some structural engineers tend to over spec to cover themselves or is the service pretty standard? Thanks in advance
ECO_Mental wrote: » Here is where I am at now regarding professional fees and a few other bits and pieces. Planning fees are what they are and are easily calculated so if they are 8k in mayo then thats what they are. Regarding your Architect cost I presume that's full service start to finish and there is a lot to that. I am a big believer in paying the professionals who know what they are doing. Don't forget they are signing off and certifying this build so they will be tough for YOU as its their ass also on the line if they sign off stuff that's wrong. Don't forget you are spending a lot of money here and you need to run his like a real project and get professionals involved. EVERYBODY involved in your build will appreciated that as well, the bank, the builder, your engineer and it will go smoothly and to be honest its expected now. Item Cost Architect Stage 1 and 2 €4,920.00 Architect Stage 3 €6,765.00 BER Assessor €280.00 Build insurance €620.00 Commencement Notice €30.00 Initial budget costs QS €984.00 Legal Work €1,845.00 ESB Network Connection €2,460.00 Planning Fees €5,118.41 PSDP €1,586.70 QS tender phase BOQ etc €2,337.00 Structural Engineer €5,904.00 Supervision Stage 4 €5,227.50 Tender Evaluation and Contract €676.50 Total €38,754.11 My build is a 2500sqrf architect designed high spec split level house on the outskirts of Cork city. Just to put perspective on the costs above as they will be different to rural Longford...
Frozen Veg wrote: » Architect fees seem off the charts. Would price around. Council fees seem high also.
iob89 wrote: » Hi all, Looking at a new build in the Limerick region just would like peoples pinions on pricing. The quote that I have is for a 1700Sq foot storey & a half build. (4 bedroom house) The house is a straightforward rectangular design. Pricing I have got is 251,000 build cost.(not incl. kitchen or flooring. bathroom ware is included) That is just under €150 a sq foot. 7 Included in that is UFH on both floors. Solid concrete floors upstairs. Paved Patio to the side. Lawns and Kerbed driveway with pea gravel. Triple glaze windows and hardwood external doors, Trees and hedges planted on perimeter with existing trees topped in height Water, electricity and all council fees are included in this too. I'm new to all of this so all advice on pricing is welcomed. Does this pricing sound ok?
Averi Few Keypunch wrote: » We are going direct labour, project managing ourselves and doing all pricing ourselves as we go (not going to be using a QS). We have a farm so have equipment that can be used, we can collect supplies ourselves when needed and my father would be around at all times for helping out on site potentially doing some labouring also for trades people who are friends. I would be available evenings and weekends and for site tidy up and helping etc. I would have most of the trades lined up already (in my head) as friends or family friends and there would be scope for paying cash to most at least in part.
Averi Few Keypunch wrote: » I could be in for a shock, I would be expecting a around 3 - 5k for work up to planning and around the same for overseeing the build from my architect/engineer. 26k looks totally off the charts. I probably should have asked how much I’m being charged but I’ve never discussed it. The fees being mentioned here in general are a little shocking. I would have not been thinking much more than 15k for non building related stuff (architect, planning fees, esb, engineer, ber etc).
kieran. wrote: » Approx 40k is typical ESB 2.5k Irish water 6k Water + effluent (12k for septic tank and perc area + GWS water connection) Solicitors 5k (Inc topo and site tests) Arch 15k Eng 5k Ber 1.5k (Inc Air test) Planning contributions 5k
Averi Few Keypunch wrote: » Thanks for the details, I suppose a few things to point out that I would hope would save some money. ESB as expected. Group scheme so no Irish water involvement so I’d expect this to be considerably less in my case Solicitor aside from site transfer what else would they be doing? I’d expect no more that 2k if even in solicitor fees. Architect and engineer will be the same person, local fella working on his own so I’d hope his Fees will be lower than being quoted here. Where can I find the planning contribution costs? 65 to apply for planning was the only number I currently have. Thank for the response and your idea on costs. I already have an architect as I did a fully custom design. Just about to submit planning but no bill yet.
