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PlayStation 5 - Now with FAQ in OP.

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Mark Cerny has been showing off the dev kit:

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console

PS5 FAQ:
https://blog.playstation.com/2020/11/09/ps5-the-ultimate-faq/#sf239758641

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.G.

That teardown video, the thing is half the size of the dude in it! It's bloody huge! Or he's really small

Zero-Cool

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Does it specify that it's PS4 footage in that trailer?

It looks as though a user decided to recreate the ps5 trailer in ps4 2k21. Im sure they don't have any stake to make it look worse in order to make 5 look better. I might stick on nba 2k20 later to compare myself.

FedoraTheAura

I can’t believe there’s still no concrete word that PS4 saves will transfer to PS5’s. I know that certain cross-gen saves won’t like Yakuza.

I’m putting off trading-in my Pro because I don’t want to lose 1000’s of hours of saves. Why would they hold out on giving out that info?!

Wing126

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/07/upcoming-trophy-levelling-changes-detailed/

Trophy progress tracking for PS5 was also confirmed on the French PS Blog.

Edit:

Actually, looks like the reference to tracking was removed.

johnny_ultimate

I’ve said it before, but I’m increasingly of the view that people need to be realistic and modest in their expectations for next-gen graphics - and that goes all the way up to an RTX 3080 or whatever. We have gone past the point of genuine massive generational leaps - we’re at the point of incremental upgrades, simply making already impressive games more impressive. Last of Us 2 looks incredible - PS5 games will look better, but we’re far past the point where we’re making visibly exponential leaps. I mean, early last gen games like Gears of War still look pretty good: games have routinely looked great for ages now. The only true revolutionary leap has been VR, which is sorta a platform agnostic development and not a focus of any new hardware.

There are next-gen leaps which are exciting - in particular the SSD, which could be a bit of a game-changer and just prove a big leap in terms of overall performance and usability. Ray-tracing is really cool, but let’s be honest - fancy reflections and light rays are a modest step forward at best.

With that in mind, I hope both Xbox and PlayStation developers really push for performance modes where possible. I think the visual trade-offs for a higher frame rate are well worth it in most cases, and it’s encouraging to see early games offering options in that regard. Prior gen consoles in their initial form just didn’t have the brute force necessary, so happy the new ones do. If we’re looking at better performance on top of a modest visual upgrade (or a more substantial visual boost at the expense of frames per second), that’s honestly precisely what I’d expect from new hardware in an era where many games already look ludicrously good.

All this goes doubly for cross-gen titles. NBA or Assassin’s Creed are unlikely to be next-gen powerhouses this year... next year the game may be stepped up as the current gen slowly gets left behind.

fixXxer

Everyone has a quiet PS4 until CoD Warzone kicks off.

Markitron

Deleted User wrote: »

The thing about PS4 (incl Pro) noise levels is that they vary. Some people have quiet systems, some have noisy systems. I have an extremely quiet pre-slim system. A lot of people have quiet Pro systems.

My OG PS4 was loud AF. I had kinda forgotten how loud they could get then I was in my friends house recently while he played MGSV on one, was just as bad as my Pro during GoW.

[Deleted User]

Markitron wrote: »

The original PS4 was as loud as the PS4 pro

The thing about PS4 (incl Pro) noise levels is that they vary. Some people have quiet systems, some have noisy systems. I have an extremely quiet pre-slim system. A lot of people have quiet Pro systems.

Markitron

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1313848349758382080?s=19

Be nice if it syncs automatically as well

Retr0gamer

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

When people talk like that, I feel like this...

FYP

EoinMcLovin

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1313848349758382080?s=19

Markitron

Deleted User wrote: »

The PS4 was an extremely elegant and cost-efficient design, this thing is absolute madness in comparison. The PS4 Pro was noisy because they used multiple fan vendors and some of them were crap (crap bearings etc) ... that's all they needed to fix (!)..

The original PS4 was as loud as the PS4 pro

HairySalmon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From the teardown it seems like an expensive and convoluted design. So many weird little shapes and bits of plastic. Those non-planar side panels ... expensive. Stand with moving parts, clips and nooks for stowing screws ... expensive. That's an enormous heatsink. Liquid-metal TIM. The fan looks like something off a steam-boat.

The PS4 was an extremely elegant and cost-efficient design, this thing is absolute madness in comparison. The PS4 Pro was noisy because they used multiple fan vendors and some of them were crap (crap bearings etc) ... that's all they needed to fix (!).

I would love to know how much they are losing on the $399 model.

That’s part of the reason why I like being an early adopter of consoles. I know what I’m buying should actually be much more expensive than what I’m paying for, so seems like better value for money.

I had the same thoughts with the stand as well, a complex design like that would add up to a lot when you’re selling tens of millions of consoles!

The Raging Bile Duct

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Yeah its common enough when companies are trying to sell the visual quality between standards but its pretty dishonest.

I remember even when Sky launched Sky HD they very obviously nerfed their related SD versions of those channels to accentuate the difference between both.

It sucks though, and is misleading. As someone else said, the PS4 quality in the comparison video is probably more towards PS3 quality.

Does it specify that it's PS4 footage in that trailer?

CastorTroy

So when will the new iteration of Home be announced?

[Deleted User]

From the teardown it seems like an expensive and convoluted design. So many weird little shapes and bits of plastic. Those non-planar side panels ... expensive. Stand with moving parts, clips and nooks for stowing screws ... expensive. That's an enormous heatsink. Liquid-metal TIM. The fan looks like something off a steam-boat.

The PS4 was an extremely elegant and cost-efficient design, this thing is absolute madness in comparison. The PS4 Pro was noisy because they used multiple fan vendors and some of them were crap (crap bearings etc) ... that's all they needed to fix (!).

I would love to know how much they are losing on the $399 model.

The Iron Giant

xtal191 wrote: »

PS4 version doesn't look near as bad in this trailer

Yeah its common enough when companies are trying to sell the visual quality between standards but its pretty dishonest.

I remember even when Sky launched Sky HD they very obviously nerfed their related SD versions of those channels to accentuate the difference between both.

It sucks though, and is misleading. As someone else said, the PS4 quality in the comparison video is probably more towards PS3 quality.

The Raging Bile Duct

Varik wrote: »

I think you're confusing using liquid metal between the integrated heat spreader and the die vs using it between the IHS and the heatsink for PC CPUs.

Even using it on the die helps a lot with per core heat.

When people talk like that, I feel like this...

Varik

TitianGerm wrote: »

Gamers Nexus has done testing on CPU cooling materials in the past and there was very little difference in temperatures when using thermal paste or liquid metal.

I wonder would the liquid metal have a longer life though?

I think you're confusing using liquid metal between the integrated heat spreader and the die vs using it between the IHS and the heatsink for PC CPUs.

Even using it on the die helps a lot with per core heat, and I'm pretty sure they did a few videos about what they screwed up on their test for that and it was using custom water cooling so that's a serious amount of heat removal capacity. Benchmarks for more modest AIO and air coolers show a larger difference.

J Mysterio

Markitron wrote: »

Bit off topic here, but reading the twitter comments, the most frequent word I am seeing to describe this is 'thiccc'.

Is this a thing now? If being in mid-30s means I find this kind of thing stupid then I wish I had been this age my entire life.

duploelabs

Varik wrote: »

Anyone who ever plans on opening it better make sure they open it the right way up, the gallium in liquid metal eats aluminium.

That's why you can't take mercury thermometers on aluminium planes

xtal191

PS4 version doesn't look near as bad in this trailer

Markitron

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Actually, the cartoon series Close Enough on Netflix, from the creators of the Regular Show, does a great job of expressing that feeling of ageing out of coolness that you experience when reading slang like that.

Tbh I was never cool, though I did mostly speak the same language as those around me.

TitianGerm

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Bruh, idek why you throwing shade at your fam when he be thristy for thot. That's not gucci. You should sip tea and be tope.

Can we just ban this guy now?

TitianGerm

shrewdness wrote: »

Haven't been able to watch yet, but I seen this comment on reddit noting a few things. The first point seems to answer your question.

"Some cool takeaways I found:

• Design was achieved to maintain quietness

• Side Panels are removable without the need of unscrewing

• The same stand is reversable for both horizontal and vertical positions

• There is a dust catcher that can be easily vacuumed

• Uses liquid metal to better dissapate CPU/GPU heat

• WiFi 6 Confirmed!

• One giant double intake fan (air flows from both side vents and is blown out the back)

• UHD drive is incased in metal to reduce disc spin noise

• NVMe SSD bay slot for expandable storage is behind the right Faceplate (covered by a single screw cover)"

Gamers Nexus has done testing on CPU cooling materials in the past and there was very little difference in temperatures when using thermal paste or liquid metal.

I wonder would the liquid metal have a longer life though?

The Raging Bile Duct

Actually, the cartoon series Close Enough on Netflix, from the creators of the Regular Show, does a great job of expressing that feeling of ageing out of coolness that you experience when reading slang like that.

Markitron

Berty wrote: »

I think the stand requirement even when horizontal is to maintain heat expansion across the base(when it's horizontal at least) otherwise why would you need to have it propped up.

Also, I should start an eBay business RIGHT NOW selling replacement screws for the base and those little cover things. But I won't because I'm lazy.

This is the first (mainstream) console I can think of that can't stand vertically or lay flat horizontally by itself.

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Supposedly they're all legit slang. You'd sound like some spa coming out with that scutter though...

Especially if you are over 12 years old

GhostyMcGhost

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Bruh, idek why you throwing shade at your fam when he be thristy for thot. That's not gucci. You should sip tea and be tope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0wTtiJygY

The Raging Bile Duct

Markitron wrote: »

Admit it, you made about half of those up.

Supposedly they're all legit slang. You'd sound like some spa coming out with that scutter though...

The Iron Giant

The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »

Bruh, idek why you throwing shade at your fam when he be thristy for thot. That's not gucci. You should sip tea and be tope.

Reminds me of this.