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Cork developments

snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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Markcheese

Looks like a crazy place for a major entrance ,right at the start of the bridge , on a sharp bend ...

fonecrusher1

Crows nest apartments. Can't get over how quick these went up. :eek:

GavRedKing

If we go to level 5 soon, they wont be going up much faster.

marno21

Camden Quay site bought by Santiago Capital DAC for €3.3m

https://www.linkedin.com/company/santiago-capital-dac/

Santiago Capital is proud to support the regeneration of this Venetian-style late nineteenth-century building that was formerly used as the Cork Circuit Court and the adjoining site behind it.

Was full sure this was stone dead. Perhaps a cautiously positive outlook.

Justin Credible Darts

dont tell me it is more student apartments for the future politicians and bankers.

marno21

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

dont tell me it is more student apartments for the future politicians and bankers.

Offices.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/arid-20408883.html

Apogee

Student accommodation, Bandon Rd pics - big site:
https://twitter.com/Clancy_Drangan/status/1313067056980545539

fonecrusher1

GavRedKing wrote: »

If we go to level 5 soon, they wont be going up much faster.

:pac:

They're actually at the top floor already I think.

I'd say this might be one of last tallish (9 floors) building projects to get finished for a while in Cork unfortunately.

Treehelpplease

^^ ten

TheChizler

Whatever happened to the tower planned for the South Link Road? ABP approved it back in December IIRC.

hans aus dtschl

TheChizler wrote: »

Whatever happened to the tower planned for the South Link Road? ABP approved it back in December IIRC.

Wasn't that a flip job? I thought someone on here said that project was designed to be flipped. Same with Wilton.

Any news on the prism? That was one I was looking forward to.

cantalach

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

dont tell me it is more student apartments for the future politicians and bankers.

How’s the shoulder? That chip seems awful heavy.

marno21

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Wasn't that a flip job? I thought someone on here said that project was designed to be flipped. Same with Wilton.

Any news on the prism? That was one I was looking forward to.

It was confirmed as a flip job in the Examiner before the lockdown started - it was on the market to institutional investors.

Prism looking very mothballed. Seeing as Deane Street is closed to facilitate construction will there be a requirement to reopen this street soon should the project not go ahead? There is a road closure until June 2021

TheChizler

marno21 wrote: »

It was confirmed as a flip job in the Examiner before the lockdown started - it was on the market to institutional investors.

That's annoying considering it took up resourses in the ABP fast track process that could have been better spent elsewhere.

snotboogie

TheChizler wrote: »

That's annoying considering it took up resourses in the ABP fast track process that could have been better spent elsewhere.

Yep, there have been plenty of these in Cork. The Mahon Tower being another notorious examole

blindsider

It's a shame that they can't impose a penalty for these projects being 'pie in the sky'.

If a project is not completed within x3 its construction duration, then pay 5% of the cost of the whole project.

E.g. Wilton Shopping Centre €100m re-development - https://www.irishexaminer.com/property/arid-30867039.html

Let's say it took 12 months to re-develop - and add 6 months to get the project started.

Then, if the project is not completed/50% completed etc in 2.5yrs, the developer (who applied for the Planning Permission) pays 5% to the Council.

The aim is not to collect €5m, but to ensure that only 'real' projects are submitted for planning.

I wonder how many commercial projects, in the last 10 yrs, were granted planning and nothing at all has happened?

OK, shoot me down in flames.......;-)

calnand

A lot of the buildings in the Penney's block are up for lease. So looking very unlikely that Penney's will start their expansion anytime soon.

fonecrusher1

Treehelpplease wrote: »

^^ ten

University College Cork’s Crow’s Nest Student Accommodation development at Victoria Cross will consist of 255 student bedrooms above a ground floor level, a wellness centre and café area. 4 towers, ascending from the 1st floor outside concourse area, varying in height from 9 floors (approx. 36 meters) to 7 (approx. 28.5 meters) .

http://www.jvtierney.ie/projects/ucc-crow-s-nest-student-accommodation-cork

Tomtom364

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

University College Cork’s Crow’s Nest Student Accommodation development at Victoria Cross will consist of 255 student bedrooms above a ground floor level, a wellness centre and café area. 4 towers, ascending from the 1st floor outside concourse area, varying in height from 9 floors (approx. 36 meters) to 7 (approx. 28.5 meters) .

http://www.jvtierney.ie/projects/ucc-crow-s-nest-student-accommodation-cork

Its 9 stories above the 1st floor concourse

https://www.bmp.ie/2018-news/february-2018-student-accommodation-for-ucc/

A proposed new UCC student accommodation building (the 255-bed development at Victoria Cross) is set to rise to eight and up 10 storeys, across four linked blocks, on the former western suburban site of the Crow’s Nest bar.

Look at the image of the design, a extra high gound floor, then each block of windows is another floor + two floors in the upper block section

opus

Decision on the "tower" coming up soon according to the Examiner.

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Planning decision expected for Ireland's tallest building

fonecrusher1

opus wrote: »

Decision on the "tower" coming up soon according to the Examiner.

Planning decision expected for Ireland's tallest building

Getting approved is one thing. Its getting it built is the problem in the current climate.

Fingers crossed.

The Prism and Albert quay building have been mothballed so I can't see this getting started anytime soon. Hope I'm wrong.

SleetAndSnow

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Getting approved is one thing. Its getting it built is the problem in the current climate.

Fingers crossed.

The Prism and Albert quay building have been mothballed so I can't see this getting started anytime soon. Hope I'm wrong.

Was there not test drilling at Albert Quay earlier on in the week?

fonecrusher1

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Was there not test drilling at Albert Quay earlier on in the week?

Wow ok fair enough. Cool. I'm happy to be wrong on that one.

who_me

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Was there not test drilling at Albert Quay earlier on in the week?

There was.

Carey Tool Hire's new premises by the Kinsale Road roundabout hasn't started yet (that I'm aware of!) so presumably nothing much is going to happen on Albert Quay until that's ready for Carey's Tools to move out to. Unless, of course, Carey's Tools are ok with being closed for several months or find an alternative location.

rounders

who_me wrote: »

There was.

Carey Tool Hire's new premises by the Kinsale Road roundabout hasn't started yet (that I'm aware of!) so presumably nothing much is going to happen on Albert Quay until that's ready for Carey's Tools to move out to. Unless, of course, Carey's Tools are ok with being closed for several months or find an alternative location.

Only possible other place I can see them going is Blarney Business Park. JCD has a Planning App in for a structure that sounds like it could suit Carey's but that is a very different location to where they currently are so that could be a bit of a jump

rino87

opus wrote: »

Decision on the "tower" coming up soon according to the Examiner.

Planning decision expected for Ireland's tallest building

What is the building to the right of the tower in that pic?

Edit: Looks like its the Prism building - looks a lot bigger from that perspective considering its fotprint

sonnyblack

RINO87 wrote: »

What is the building to the right of the tower in that pic?

Edit: Looks like its the Prism building - looks a lot bigger from that perspective considering its fotprint

Looks like one of the office blocks in the Horgans Quay Development.

rino87

sonnyblack wrote: »

Looks like one of the office blocks in the Horgans Quay Development.

Nah, I meant to the right, behind the tower.
To the right in front is Horgans Quay/Penrose alright.

swampgas

RINO87 wrote: »

Nah, I meant to the right, behind the tower.
To the right in front is Horgans Quay/Penrose alright.

The Elysian? Already built.

SleetAndSnow

swampgas wrote: »

The Elysian. Already built.

Thats to the left, to the right does look to be Prism